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French President Emmanuel Macron has unveiled his new government almost three months after a snap general election delivered a hung parliament.

The long-awaited new line up, led by Prime Minister Michel Barnier, marks a decisive shift to the right, even though a left-wing alliance won most parliamentary seats.

Despite the partnership between Macron’s centrist party and those on the right, parliament remains fractured and will rely on the support of other parties to pass legislation.

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[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 9 hours ago

I keep wondering why and how it is that fascism is rising up so much. This is a serious question.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 54 points 7 hours ago

Because liberals in power would rather align with fascists than anyone to the left. Look at how US Democrats would rather debate the merits of executing abortion doctors than debate Medicare for All, how how UK Labour would rather argue whether transwomen should be allowed in public spaces rather than bringing back council housing. Corporate interests will always lead to fascism since it is the only way to continue selling the failed promises of capital

[-] DeadWorld@lemm.ee 66 points 9 hours ago

It's profitable to keep the left out of power as fascists will allow the rich to keep their wealth so long as they toe the party line and remain useful to the authority

[-] JustTesting@lemmy.hogru.ch 17 points 9 hours ago

Well, profitable in the short term. If the lowly peons don't have money because you took it all, they cant spend it on stuff from your factories and your profit goes down and everything grinds to a halt. of course you can try to sell it to other countries, which fucks over their economies and makes them more susceptible to populism/facism (well after an initial phase of excitement over those sweet cheap imports) and then it's facism all around and everyone is fucked. You just need to plan it well enough so you're on your private island/mars colony with robot butlers by that point

[-] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 14 points 7 hours ago

Thinking ahead has never been the purview of the rich.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 hours ago

If the lowly peons don’t have money because you took it all, they cant spend it on stuff from your factories and your profit goes down and everything grinds to a halt.

This didn't stop slavery last time, it won't stop it again. They don't need the peons as long as they maintain enough of a "middle class" of people who are paid just enough to feel as if they're in touching distance of the top (temporarily embarrassed millionaires who in reality are much closer to homelessness) so they both continue to overconsume, and become reluctant to fight to change the status quo because it gives them the privilege of not being a slave. And it's working.

[-] JustTesting@lemmy.hogru.ch 4 points 5 hours ago

Slavery in the US before the civil war didn't happen in a vacuum. There were slaves in the south that didn't consume anything, producing goods that in a large part were exported to britain. And the money from that was used to buy more slaves and land. But some of it was used to buy goods and expertise from the north that the slave economy was lacking, which in turn drove industrialization in the north.

But i stand by my point that over time the artificially low prices due to slave labor causes outflows of money from the rest of the world, depriving workers in other countries of money/wages and causing them to spend less. So all those slaves would overproduce things that there isn't demand anymore and it's still worse for the rich fucks than if they had paid slaves a fair wages.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying such a system can't exist or work, just that in the long run it's worse for everyone, even the rich who thrive on exploiting poor people.

Sadly the billionaire class don't seem to understand this and there's not much to do other than teaching them by force every 50-150 years.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Slavery in the US before the civil war didn’t happen in a vacuum.

Neither is what's happening today (more like has continued to happen since), and now there are literally billions more people available to exploit.

So all those slaves would overproduce things that there isn’t demand anymore and it’s still worse for the rich fucks than if they had paid slaves a fair wages.

Only they wouldn't continue to produce things there wasn't a market for, so capitalists either continue investing trillions in to advertising and other ways to create a market and propagandise people to overconsume, and or diversify what they produce/commodify, like they have over and over and over again.

Sadly the billionaire class don’t seem to understand this and there’s not much to do other than teaching them by force every 50-150 years.

This is where you're most mistaken:

A. they understand perfectly well, they just don't care. You really don't seem to have a great understanding of how the super rich become, and stay that way.

B. there is plenty to do, it just requires working outside of the rules those in power have set out for society. Humans existed for hundreds of thousands of years without capitalism (E: or even its predecessor, feudalism), the idea that we must accept it as some inevitable fact, submit to it and just let it deteriorate to fascism once or twice a century and then just slap it on the wrist and wait for the next time is defeatist and honestly a little pathetic.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 9 hours ago

It is the end result of capitalist exploitation. Liberal democracies cannot stop this process through voting.

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago

Social media is one of the main reasons.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

this is happened before after a capitalism crisis

[-] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago

Follow the money. 💰

[-] DeadWorld@lemm.ee 133 points 11 hours ago

Macron proves that neoliberalism is nothing but the first step to fascism. This is actively subverting the democratic will if the people and I would hope France is willing do what it takes to adress this issue.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 hours ago

Macron proves that neoliberalism is nothing but the first step to fascism.

And those same neoliberals will call it him doing 4d chess :/

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 24 points 9 hours ago

Crazy how socialists keep being correct about this ain't it?

[-] romp_2_door@lemmy.world 17 points 10 hours ago

they'll compromise on anything, no values, no limits

[-] blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io 69 points 11 hours ago

And here in neighboring Brazil he is a "communist" because he dared criticize Bolsonaro.

[-] argarath@lemmy.world 33 points 10 hours ago

It still messes me up that France not only has a border with Brazil, but it's their longest border with any other country lol

Also outro Br! Eae?

[-] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

Wait, hold up, what? I assume they occupy a country adjacent to Brazil?

[-] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago
[-] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Ahhh, right. I suck at geography

[-] blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io 2 points 5 hours ago

Tudo beleza

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 79 points 12 hours ago

There are no friends in politics, but even so, Macron remains an especially rancid pig fucker.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

Maybe this is a long-term plan to drag the right down in flames with him.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 43 points 11 hours ago

One wishes that Macron had that kind of moral fiber.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 54 points 11 hours ago

even though a left-wing alliance won most parliamentary seats.

And yet, people will continue insisting that we can vote our way out of the rapid decline in to fascism.. 🙄

[-] snow_bunny@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago

voting is wiping your ass. yeah, it's not all that needs to happen, but it's still important.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 40 points 9 hours ago

Voting is absolutely necessary, but also insufficient.

[-] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 33 points 11 hours ago

Ew brother ew.

[-] ravhall@discuss.online 11 points 10 hours ago

They invented the solution to this problem.

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