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I think each country has to decide for themselves what they're going to do about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Especially those countries who have been on the receiving end of US unilateralism as described in the article.
Despite all the past offenses of the US and the west, in this instance I think the west is acting as a force for good. Ukraine was invaded by Russia under false pretenses of "denazification" . The Ukrainians are asking for help to resist an invader. We should help them.
There is no scenario here where Ukraine can win against Russia. All this conflict does is prolong the suffering of the people there. The only ethical thing to do is to help find a diplomatic solution and encourage negotiations. Unfortunately, western powers have been doing the opposite of that encouraging Ukraine to continue fighting and sending weapons. The reality is that the west doesn’t actually care about the people of Ukraine, and just wants to use them as pawns to drag Russia into a prolonged conflict there. It’s a ghoulish thing to do.
Yeah sure. The only ethical thing to do is to give Putin everything he wants so he doesn't kill more Ukrainians. Got it.
Please explain to me your galaxy brain logic of why killing more Ukrainians to achieve the same result is desirable. You're not personally affected by any of this, so it's easy for you to advocate ruining lives of countless other people to spite Putin.
If you feel so strongly about this then why don't you pick up a gun and go to Ukraine yourself, if you're not willing to do that then kindly shut the fuck up.
Well, it's pretty easy logic to follow, and if you were anything other than a partisan troll, arguing in bad faith, you could easily follow.
The Ukrainians are asking for help. We should help them. That it's. That's the logic.
I love how you just homogenized Ukrainians here. The Ukrainian regime that insists on continuing the fighting certainly does not represent the totality of people of Ukraine. It's a large country with diverse demographics and right wing extremists that the west backs do not speak for all of Ukraine. Either you're a troll or utterly ignorant on the subject you're bloviating on.
Haha way to toe the partisan line. Russia has to invade to fight the nazi fascists. Got it.
Nowhere did I justify Russia invading anything. Thanks for confirming you're a troll though given the nazi problem in Ukraine is a well documented fact.
Ahh yes, appeasement. Such a great plan. Next they invade Poland and you can just give them that as well to make sure that they don't suffer. We can just go through a list of countries and give them one a year, no suffering.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it
What it's really baffling is actually how the majority of westerners aren't seeing this NATO/US - Russia with the same scope as the non-western countries, since this time is as obvious as the "Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction" thing in 2003.
Guys, I know indoctrination is a hell of a drug, but damn, this has reached cult levels already.
Westerners are majorly racists. The news media anchors, citizens, various publications make it very open. The refugees that were entering Poland also made it clear who was blocked, harassed and beaten up. All non whites.
"bubububububut I am not racist! I have a friend of a friend who is POC!" or something like that.
The amount of people who have made that phrase problematic is wrong on many levels. It is what Nazis and racists do. Nazis first tilted Hindu Swastika to a 45° on left and made it their symbol, now they are using Nordic mythology symbols as their own. They take common language and symbols and adopt them to grift into masses' discussions.
Countless dead Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan, Libya, Syria....
Many in Cuba impoverished by an unjust embargo..
Do we need more examples? The West is extremely hypocritical.
Doesn't make the war with Ukraine any better.
It is not exactly a war though. You want to see a true invasion and war? Go look at Iraq or 2011 Libya or 2015 Syria.
Soldiers of Russia enter Ukraine and kill Ukrainian soliders. How would you call it if not war?
Because you are incapable of differentiating the civilian and infrastructure destruction between Russia's op in Ukraine and USA's op in Iraq, Libya, Syria and many other places.
I doubt you are incapable, so I will just call it intellectual dishonesty.
I think I simply don't share your view that it takes violence/terror against civilians for a conflict to be labeled a war (at least that's what your previous comment seems to imply, you may correct me at any time).
I doubt you are incapable, so I will just call it intellectual dishonesty.
Thanks, very nice from you, comrade :D
It is okay not to share views, but what is true shows in real time. And neither of us can do much about it apart from watching from the sidelines.
Also definitely you are not some comrade, so stick to your political lane.
"It's just an exercise"
"It's just a special military operation"
"Its a war bro, like Iraq"
"Its a genocide and massacre bro, look Bucha satellite photos, do not talk about how they got debunked"
"Bro Russia lowkey dropped nukes like Chernobyl"
- average C14, Right Sektor, Azov supporter liberal and knows only what Western MIC MSM tells
What random sentence generator did you use?
The one that you did not, a functional, critical brain. Liberals can only be revolutionaries in internet downvoting.
Good thing I'm not a liberal.
Certainly looks like it, no matter how hard you try. Downvoting is really getting to me, I am seething! Look!!
Sidetrack Opponents with Name-Calling and Ridicule ~ This is also known as the primary ‘attack the messenger’ ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as ‘kooks’, ‘right-wing’, ‘liberal’, ‘left-wing’, ‘terrorists’, ‘conspiracy buffs’, ‘radicals’, ‘militia’, ‘racists’, ‘religious fanatics’, ‘sexual deviates’, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
“It’s just a special military operation”
So, who started with the implied lies, conflating Russia's op in Ukraine with USA's genocide and destruction in Iraq?
17. Change the Subject ~ Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can ‘argue’ with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
Eight Traits of The Disinformationalist ~
Avoidance
Selectivity
Because the West is hypocritical and selfish. You can't seriously expect the world to support you against Russia when you just spent 20 years on a murder spree in the Middle East.
USA was called "Great Satan" by Iran when Suleimani was assassinated. Russia called them an "Empire of Lies". Turns out, these descriptions were always true.
Century of The Self documentary is immensely valuable in these times for anyone who has not seen it.