Go go, for Venezuela and Democracy!
this post was submitted on 03 Aug 2024
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I might get downvoted but, why are all of the comments here and in other threads in support of the (what seems to be) authoritarian regime? Always looked like Lemmy users trend Anti-Authoritarian and I'm confused what legitimate reason there would be to be cynical of wanting transparency around the vote.
I might get downvoted but, why are all of the comments here and in other threads in support of the (what seems to be) authoritarian regime?
Because there's a non-negligible number of tankies on Lemmy whose entire worldview is "US Bad" even if that means supporting dictatorship to "own the libs".
despite what they say, the us rarely comes to spread 'democracy'
If it is lemmy.ml you are thinking of, they are very much in favor of authoritarianism. It doesn't even need to be a leftist economy, state capitalism with hundreds of billionaires is fine.
They just hate everything about the US. Anything the US opposes is good, actually, and anything the US is in favor of is bad, actually. There's no depth beyond that.
Other left leaning politicians from the southcone are doubting maduro aswell. The most categoric is Boric (chile) whose Embassy was ordered to leave Venezuela because he spoke in favor of venezuela's people. And from its own political sphere Lula (brazil) and C. Fernández (arg) were reluctant to openly support him. It is said that Lula or Lula's representatives were forbidden to enter venezuela prior to the ellection as "veedores" because he said something on the lines of "we will make sure that the winner gets honored" (something similar happened with A. Fernández (arg).
Today C Fernández (arg) said "for the good memory of Hugo Chavez, the records should be published" which as usual with this Hag, it's neither in favour nor against Maduro, but either way, it is defenetely not an open support of Maduro.
Edit: relevant update, Carlotto, a reknown Argentinian and hard left leaning personality (president of Abuelas, a society of grandmothers whose grandsons where abducted during the last military junta) which initially pronounced herself strongly in favour of Maduro has said today (5/7) "it's clear that he has faked his numbers" folloew by "maybe he is a dictator" or "he will be a dictator" (I really dont get what she means with "será un dictador" so i dont know how to translate it). But for this people, there "aren't good of bad dictators".
The real users here are anti-authoritarian. There are quite a few trolls too, though. Gotta block 'em.
There’s been a lot of cases where the opposition is a bunch of US plants or worse so a charitable interpretation is they’re worried about that. A less charitable one is the one everyone has already posted: they’re tankies, ie left-wing authoritarians and like the authoritarian government.
For the record I’m holding off on having an opinion until I’ve read an analysis of the situation I trust, and I haven’t found one or had the time to look seriously. My opinion doesn’t really matter in this case anyway so I don’t think I’m in a hurry to find a correct position.
Because of the implications and reasons of "what seems to be an authoritarian regime" for a European/American citizen might be very far-removed from the truth.
There were 800+ international observers in the election who found no irregularities, the opposition claimed to have won "with 70% of the vote" without providing any evidence for it, and while it's suspicious that the government still didn't release the election acts because of a claim of "getting hacked", that doesn't give the opposition the right to call for violent protests against election results in a strikingly similar fashion to what happened in Jan 6th in the USA.
I love that Mr. Costanza is driving the bike
Why are y'all forgetting that there were over 800 international observers in the elections?
You guys supporting armed protestors against the election results before the final election acts are released, are supporting something strikingly similar to USA's Jan 6th assault on Capitol. It's good to be cautious about the results, but outright calling Venezuela a dictatorship when there's no evidence of interference in the elections is lunacy.
Did you read the article? They only said that the process to vote went smoothly, despite all the stations having only one machine for 800 voters, causing long wait times and delays. They don't mention anything about third party confirmation of the vote tallies, no references to exit polls, and a huge section dedicated to US interference.
Might as well say "Far left organization supports supposedly far left authoritarian governments word without verification."
Ok, which others of the 800+ international observers from a whole array of ideologies and countries have found and documented any serious irregularities in the election process? Afaik, only Carter "foundation", which is extremely US-centric and has clear pro-US bias has tried to make such claims, without any substance behind them. And, believe it or not, the burden of proof when calling for violent riots against election results, is on the people claiming that the elections were rigged.
I live in South America and I'm gonna tell you something EVERYBODY here knows: Maduro is a fucking psychopath. I'm seeing a lot of people saying that because the US is interfering, it must be false, but let me tell you: fuck the US, but this is real. Maduro should be killed.
I'm not arguing for Maduro, I personally don't like him. But if your alternative is the violent overturn of elections because you don't like the candidate that the majority chose, until there's any real evidence of election fraud, I can't support that and I don't think a majority of democrats (in the non-US sense of the word) would.
He's the successor of Hugo Chavez and is president since 2013. Hugo Chavez was the president since 1999. Venezuela was once a great place to live but now people are leaving the country because they are going hungry. Do you need more evidence?