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Dated: 2024-08-03. Added: 2024-08-03. Edit: Gift link added. Edit (2024-08-04): The New York Times altered the title from “Trump Agrees to a Fox News Debate With Harris on Sept. 4” to “Trump Proposes a Fox News Debate With Harris on Sept. 4” to “Trump Cancels a Debate With Harris on ABC News and Pitches One With Fox News Instead”, presumably because the original misleadingly implied agreement with and consent from Kamala Harris for the change in venue (ABC News to Fox News).

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[–] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 62 points 3 months ago (1 children)

a proposal that has not yet been accepted by the Harris campaign.

Not confirmed by the Harris campaign or Fox News at this point. Why are we reporting Trump's garbage social media spew as factual?

[–] downpunxx@fedia.io 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It just said Trump agreed, didn't say anything about Harris agreeing, it's a clickbait headline, that's all

[–] HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

But that implies he agreed to something someone else proposed. No one says that someone agrees with themselves when they make a statement

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You mean the propaganda network who just couple of days ago said “if you are a man who vote for women, you have transitioned into women? IT’S SCIENCE”

WOW, what a great venue for “debate”!

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It fucking sucks that the Democrats keep bending over backwards for this shitbag. Why does he get to pick the venue?

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 80 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

He doesn’t. Harris campaign has not responded. This is just Trump’s wishful thinking.

Edit: Headline misleads with the phrase "agrees to." That suggests that there has been an "agreement" between the two parties. There has not. This is Trump's "proposal."

Trump Proposes a Fox News Debate ...

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

NYT misleading with headline phrasing????

Nooooooooooo.

Did you read the article?

[–] downpunxx@fedia.io 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

whoof this is a terrible idea for kamala, fox is litteraly the belly of the beast enemy territory, trump will always find a way, this time with the help of his friends at fox, to decimate his opponent. this is as equally bad an idea as it was for biden to agree to "debate" trump at all. no one "debates" Donald Trump, he's a bully, on television, with no rules, they are his victims.

this is a terrible fucking idea.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm not so sure. You're right that nobody "debates" Trump, but you do get to get onstage and launch attacks at him if you're smooth and know what you're doing.

Fox being the venue is a little meh though, I agree the questions will probably have a strong slant.

[–] Railing5132@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The questions would have a slant like a sheer fucking cliff. The audience would be hand picked by MAGA, Inc. There would be absolutely no gain to a "debate" on fox "news".

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Usually things like audience representation and format are negotiated by the two campaigns before the debate is fully agreed to.

I think it's a rare chance to reach the Fox audience with things they don't often encounter due to their media bubbles.

[–] Tiltinyall@beehaw.org 2 points 3 months ago

I mean Fox, if anything, will be predictable in their approch. This isn't unwinnable.

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Man being assassinated drives knife into own stomach"

I bet he can't make himself look good even on home turf at this point.

[–] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

My only concern is when she gets flustered sometimes she blurts something out off the dome that she really shouldn’t. The line about not trusting a vaccine from the Trump admin in 2020 comes to mind immediately - very kneejerk, poorly considered response.

Trump is allowed to make 100 of these a minute. By virtue of being a woman of color she isn’t. It’s fucked but it’s true. She really, really needs to avoid that kind of response. He’s on a temper tantrum right now and she looks like the adult in the room. It’s one of her best strengths going into this election and she needs to protect that image.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Same goes for any woman of color. Right relentlessly attacked Fani Willis and slandered her all over for being in a relationship with a divorced man - at the same time nominating a convicted rapist and serial cheater to be their party leader.

Hypocrisy is their brand. It is up to us - those who are not in a cult - to reject these attacks and not allow mainstream media to run with them. FUCK THE PROPAGANDA AND VOTE.

[–] Leeks@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The current link is not a gift link.

[–] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For a cable network, which by their own admission is an "entertainment" show and no "reasonable viewer" would take them seriously...

Why are they even allowed to host political debates?

[–] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Same for CNN now too. John Malone is a Trump fan boy.

[–] downpunxx@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago

CNN already teetering during the Trump years, has gone full Dark Side, I removed their headlines from my social media feeds, it's incredible, just complete self interest and greed, and another "news" organization working towards a fascist dystopia, actively assisting those who would end free speech and free press, their owners and shareholders betting they can get out with as much value as possible before the fascists end them.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The DNC desire for “debate” will never be anything but incredible to me. Why? Why, DNC?

“Swing voters”? “Outlining of policies”? “Reasoned discussion”?

Trump has murdered all of these things. In front of your faces. Many times!

Just . . . Don’t.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They still think facts and reason matter more to people than gut feelings and peer pressure.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

They don't understand the modern GQP is very literally a cult, with the attendant cult mindset. "Debate" is just performative vitriol in their eyes.