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submitted 1 year ago by Lengsel@lemmy.ca to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

What is the purpose of voting up or down on? I'm not clear what voting is suposed to achieve?

I never vote up or down on here in the same manner that I never click Like on any social media sites either, I don't see what the intent behind it is.

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[-] Vampiric_Luma@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

A lot of interesting perceptions on the upvote system here.

It's another form of user moderation. Is the content relevant to the community you're in? Upvote it. Did it help you? Was it a thought-provoking comment chain? Upvote it, it might help others!

Is is irrelevant, such as a dog photo in a cat community for example? Downvote it! Rude comment or flamewar? Downvote it! If you still want to see it, now it's easily sorted at the bottom. :)

A lot of areas of this site, such as the comment section here, can be organized by these votes for your convenience and sanity. You can also identify potentially malicious links/suggestions based off the like/dislike ratio on a comment. A helpful tip is to hover over the number beside a comments time-stamp near the top of a comment. It'll display the full ratio!

[-] Greg@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Voting creates a signal about the quality of a post so other users can rank posts based on the collective perspective. You don't vote for yourself, you vote to help other users.

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

The intent is to rank whether something is a useful/meaningful/worthwhile contribution or not.

[-] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I replied to a comment on this thread before - but I think it is good to reply to the OP as well

Lemmy uses a logarithmic vote and time based ranking algo for Active and hot - those sorts, when there's no issues are fuelled by the age of the posts, and also the score of the posts.

The first 10 votes are more powerful than the next 100, but this power is tempered by how quickly it takes to get those votes - a post that gets 1000 votes in an hour will be ranked higher than a post that gets 10000 votes in 10 hours.

You can see the full description of how the algo is supposed to work here: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html

As you can see, I highly recommended voting on posts regularly - even if it appears to do nothing, if the algo isn't glitched, older posts need a lot more votes than newer posts to reach the top of active and hot, and the faster a new post can get votes the more likely it is to reach the top. And If you want something new to get on the hot and new boards, even one upvote is all it needs to exponentially increase its rankin

EDIT: - Lemmy doesn't auto self upvote posts and comments... So if you aren't doing that you're not doing everything you can to get people to see it.

[-] subignition@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I may be in the minority here, but it doesn't feel right to me to upvote my own stuff. The vote counters should reflect how others perceive my contributions. It's a given that I agree with my own posts, so that shouldn't be counted.

[-] fosho@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

i can't believe you've asked this! user voting is everything! without it there's no way to meaningfully rank the content. i prefer to browser top-day posts because i only want to see what the majority of people have decided is worth seeing. surely you can imagine that browsing a randomly sorted list would be full of boring and uninteresting posts!

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

When things work correctly, it matters. Right now lemmy's sorting system is bugged, so just using "new" is the best way to find content.

But, when it works, the upvotes and downvotes determine how much visibility a post is given. It's basically a way for us users to tell the site what content is good, and what content is bad. If you see a thread with interesting discussion, or that links a fun video, or features a pretty art piece, upvoting will help more people find it.

If you see someone link to misinformation, or push a conspiracy theory, you can downvote to the tell the system that it is bad content, and it will show it to less people going forward.

[-] Lengsel@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Why you said makes me think the number of votes is wholly irrelevent.

What is interesting or helpful is entirely subjective, it's personal opinion. What is considered misinformation is entirely subjective. That makes me believe the voting count on a post means nothing for indicating the quality.

Considering how any majority of people typically react emotionally rather than have humility and respond with consistant logic, it seems personal opinion on a mass scale is an unreliable gage for quality of material.

[-] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Upvoted because it's generally true.

On anything controversial, the voting system is borked, just like any voting irl. Gather enough people in one place/topic and you can make the most insane thing seem true.

Pictures of kitties and boobies though? You should be able to gauge what's good and what's crap.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yep. That's why you sometimes see people downvoted into oblivion, simply for stating something which is true, within a community that is deluded about that given thing. Whether the votes accurately represent the value of the content, depends entirely on who sees it.

But at the same time, saying it is truly pointless, would mean you also consider the very concept of democracy, pointless. Yes, there will be a percentage of people who are unable to form a level opinion, and how many such users there are can vary wildly depending on who sees a given post/comment in the first place.

But results speak for themselves. Reddit's voting system does work. Especially because when you go to a specific subreddit, its about a specific subject. Meaning the users who are there, likely align in what they are interested in, meaning the voting is now a much more accurate representation of what the subscribers of a given sub want to see. Your subjective opinion is likely to match that of the users looking at the same subreddit. And this continues working even as you subscribe to multiple subs. Each post only gets shown to users who subbed (unless on r/all), even though each user has a mixed feed of the stuff they subbed to.

[-] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

The people downvoting you are proving your point a bit... Come on people, don't downvote something just because you don't agree. You can just not upvote it if you really want, but it's adding to the discussion in a polite way which is what you want. Don't discourage discussion and responses by downvoting them... Upvote the good stuff, downvote hate/spam, leave the rest alone.

[-] postscarce@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

What is interesting or helpful is entirely subjective

Nothing is entirely subjective, at least not in the sense that you mean.

There are different degrees of shared opinion ("inter-subjectivity") among people, depending on the group. One of the advantages of the "communities" (or "subreddit" / "magazines") model is that you can find people with whom you share opinions, and if that community doesn't already exist, you can create it.

By joining a community that shares your interests, and customizing your feed to show those communities, content that gets upvoted will tend to reflect your interests, and upvotes will be a signal of quality.

People have limited time. By having an algorithm that can sort by likes / dislikes, everyone saves time by delegating some of the time-consuming task of discovering relevant content to the algorithm.

You've created a bit of a contradiction here by assuming that the quality of content can be determined objectively in the first place. Quality of content is inherently subjective because there's no definitive "perfect quality." A research paper might be extensive and carefully written, but that doesn't mean that it's better content that a wellcrafted joke- a lot of people would rather hear the joke, which gives it subjective quality. The point of an internet community is to align yourself with others who have similar subjective views on quality. If you want jokes, follow a joke page. If you want papers, follow an academic page. The voting system within those pages determines the quality of posts within their subjective viewpoint.

[-] lysistrata@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Upvoting a post releases the Good Chemicals in the brain. You do this when you would like the person who made this contribution to do more of that.

Downvoting, in turn, produces the Bad CHemicals. The downvote button was famously invented to replace the previous disincentivizing mehchanism, Hammers.

[-] elmicha@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

I found this on Wikipedia:

Using a system of upvotes and downvotes users can influence what content appears at the top of the main feeds and of each community.

So if you find a post interesting, you can upvote it. And if someone posts cat pictures in asklemmy, you can downvote it, because it's off-topic and maybe you want to discourage such behaviour.

I'm not sure if Lemmy has upvote counters for users, but either way if you upvote a post or comment you say that it's useful/interesting, and it's a bit like a "thank you" in real life.

For me, the main part of receiving upvotes is the "knowing" that someone agreed with or appreciated my comment. Encourages me to continue commenting. Like the opposite of being ignored during group conversations.

[-] dominoko@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I upvote posts that are interesting usually. A higher score means more people may see it.

I usually upvote most people that reply to my comments even if I don't agree with them. It's my way of showing appreciation for the time they took to engage with me.

I don't like to down vote. In my opinion it shouldn't be used as a disagreement button. More for people who are needlessly rude.

I don't like to down vote. In my opinion it shouldn't be used as a disagreement button. More for people who are needlessly rude.

I generally reserve downvotes for problematic things, including but not limited to someone really pissing me off. >.>

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It's a convenient way to get people to not write angry rants when they can instead just hit the downvote button and move on with their lives feeling like they've shown the person they're angry with what-for.

Edit: The downvote button has now saved /c/asklemmy from four angry rants about how wrong I am. Good job, downvote button! :)

[-] sinnerdotbin@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

The idea is to gauge community interest/relevance and facilitate content discovery. I feel it is becoming a bit dated method of accomplishing this and easily gamed.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, there's a sweet spot where it works, but once you get a large usercount, it becomes a bit snowbally. Get a few early upvotes, and you're off! Don't get those upvotes early? It's gone, drowned away in the flood, even if the post was good. There's an element of luck that I'm not sure can, or should be, elminated.

What the modern big sites do with algo's that read your interests, has a more cons, still. As far as a lesser of two evils, I like the vote system as a content curation system the best.

[-] Tashlan@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Dated, but has anyone come up with a better way? Outside of having another human carefully curate your shit, or some kind of Zuckerbot doing it, you need some way to filter out bullshit or any community will be overwhelmed with spam and trolls

[-] sinnerdotbin@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're right, there is only up/down vote systems with a user base that is in no way verified or otherwise restricted to a single vote/real person, or corporate algos.

There are plenty of different models. Do I fault the Lemmy devs for using it? No. Is it ideal for content discovery? Not really.

[-] Tashlan@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

No need for sarcasm -- I was ASKING if there were other ways outside of up/downvotes, AI moderation, manual/human curation, or no moderation. Hence question mark.

[-] sinnerdotbin@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're right. Apologies.

There are many other models, some discussed in this post. All come with their own set of upsides and downsides.

For a small community, which Lemmy original was, straight up votes work great. Unfortunately it doesn't scale. Reddit is a perfect example.

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