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Vladimir Putin has warned the US that if Washington deploys long-range missiles in Germany from 2026, Russia will station similar missiles within striking distance of the west.

The US will start deploying long-range fire capabilities in Germany in 2026 in an effort to demonstrate its commitment to Nato and European defence, the Washington and Germany said earlier this month.

The US’s “episodic deployments” are in preparation for longer-term stationing of such capabilities that will include SM-6, Tomahawk cruise missiles and developmental hypersonic weapons that have a longer range than current capabilities in Europe, Washington and Berlin said.

In a speech on Sunday to sailors from Russia, China, Algeria and India to mark Russian navy day in the former imperial capital of St Petersburg, Putin told the US it risked triggering a cold war-style missile crisis with the move.

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[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago (3 children)

“We will take mirror measures to deploy, taking into account the actions of the United States, its satellites in Europe and in other regions of the world.”

Ok. Bring it on. If you threaten everyone with nuclear fire every time you have a tummy ache, no one will take you seriously. At this point I strongly doubt Russia even has functioning nukes. That’s how laughable you have become.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

At this point I strongly doubt Russia even has functioning nukes.

I keep hearing this and I really hate this line. I think deploying those missiles in Germany is absolutely the right thing to do and that Russia must be countered.

But assuming none of Russia's 1710 deployed nuclear weapons work is crazy. Even if they haven't been maintained well, that's a ridiculous risk to take with that many weapons.

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

And even if the warheads aren't functional anymore, nobody wants to get a dirty bomb dropped on their heads. The best nuclear weapon is one that's not launched.

Still doesn't mean Russia gets to do what it wants.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

The moment any of those clear the launchpad they would trigger a retaliatory attack anyway, probably even if every single one of them blew up their own launch site, let alone failing to detonate over an intended target.

Even if only Russia suffered direct nuclear detonations, it would still result in 100+ million civilians killed, plus tens of millions more from nuclear fallout across Eastern Europe.

Brushing off nuclear war as survivable is lunacy.

[–] AllToRuleThemOne@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Dude, of course they do have those. To think they do not have them, in an arsenal of thousands, is delusional.

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago

Russia even has functioning nukes

Imagine if this thought is in the heads of people who are really responsible for this conflict

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We really ought to just respond to all of Putin's bullshit warnings with that exact same warning, but about staying in Ukraine.

"By remaining in Ukraine, Russia risks triggering a cold war-style missile crisis!"

"If Russian forces stay in Ukraine, there will be dire consequences!"

Etc.

Feed him his own word salad and don't put any more thought into it.

[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Or we just ignore the clown....

I can't remember any warnings Russia has issued that has actually ended up in something real. Not even in the days before Russian troops rolled off the Ukrainian border did they dare to be honest with their intentions. The only thing they were able to do was to sucker punch Ukraine.

So right now, Russia is like an annoying little poodle that is constantly barking.

It barks is because it's afraid and knows it's weaker than the dogs around it, just like Russia.

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Putin: You better not do that US: OK (starts plans to do it) Putin: Hey! Stop that US: OK (starts to implement the plan) Putin: Hey I said stop US: I don't work for you Germany: FEUERE DIE RAKETEN AB

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 31 points 3 months ago
[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Poor uncle Poots. Got his panties in a bunch.

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Remember when George looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul? Wonder what he thinks of Putin's soul these days?

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I definitely remember that. Must have been a scary moment for both of them.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't know, maybe they each looked into the eyes of a war criminal, saw a reflection of themselves, and thought, "we can be friends. Or at least work together for mutual interests."

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] palordrolap@kbin.run 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Interesting. Given that Bush claimed to see something, for "We understand each other" to Biden, I'm reading "As the sociopath you now know me to be, I am able to show exactly the amount of humanity to serve my purpose at any given time, and right now, you get nothing."

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Pretty much.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 3 months ago

Whatya gonna do? Invade ukraine?

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

ez. just deploy them in poland instead

[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

In this case Russia is facing Germany AND the US.

I like those odds.

[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Who cares what he thinks. Protect Ukraine!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

Protect Europe.

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Like a geriatric Chihuahua.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

Stop giving them reasons to, fuckwit.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 19 points 3 months ago

Well...we already lost the war for pacifism...now let's see if we win the war for peace by showing russia that it gains nothing by invading anyone.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I assume distance now only matters for speed of launch to impact before detection. Since missiles are effectively global anyway?

Striking distance of the west

Isnt that just basically having missiles stationed in russia?

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

The time between detection and impact is what makes the difference between total annihilation and very heavy losses/successful interception.

[–] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 15 points 3 months ago

Putin doesn't warn; all he does is threaten.

[–] Asayhem@lemmus.org 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

[...]Russia will station similar missiles within striking distance of the west.

Both of them?

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They will have to move one from Ukraine. And the mover is still on cooking duty.

[–] Asayhem@lemmus.org 4 points 3 months ago

If those are russian-made then one is already broken and the other one is lost somewhere. As per tradition.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Sabre going bzzzzzzzzzzzz!

But you’re not actually gonna do anything about it, Putin, because you’re a fucking coward and will only actually attack those weaker than you.

[–] Maiznieks@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Yet, he sent nukes to belarus

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago

More small stick diplomacy?

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago

They were in violation of that treaty themselves and the US is no longer a party to it (as of 2019).

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Sounds like Cuba 2.0. The deal struck was that the Soviets pull out of cuba and the US remove its missiles, quietly to save face.