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Yes….on a technical level. But the picture is bigger than that. Personally, I have a hunch that the choice of Rust is making Lemmy’s development slower. This seemed to be evidenced by the fact that Kbin has more functionality than Lemmy while having only been around for 2 months. Vs Lemmy’s 4 years. The Kbin dev has also been much more able to fix things on the fly during the surge in users. Whereas Lemmy will supposedly move off websocket use any day now.
Adoptability isn’t something to be discounted. The fact that there any more people out there familiar with PHP may give Kbin an edge over time. And let’s be honest, in real-world test PHP can very often be faster then - less-than-mature-Rust codebase.
I was curious about Kbin until I read this comment.
Not for me. I know PHP and not Rust, so if I want to go somewhere that I have a chance of contributing to, that narrows it down.
Fair enough.
I suppose there is something nice about a low barrier-to-entry codebase, but I'd be weary of getting inundated with low quality PRs and spend all my time on code reviews. Maybe that's unrealistic, but I haven't seen that nearly as often outside of Python and JS projects
Probably but anything > node.
Learned about Lemmy from Reddit but never heard of kbin until recently. That said, I like the name Lemmy a lot more than the name kbin. kbin sounds like a hex editor for KDE, not a Reddit alternative. I love the open source community, but sometimes the names of projects leave much to be desired. Lemmy isn't the perfect name but it's more memorable than kbin.
kbin sounds like a hex editor for KDE
That's what I needed to hear today. genius
Speaking about names. What the hell is a "magazine"?? It's like the kbin devs went out of their way to ensure they named everything to be as confusing to outsiders as possible.
Kind of like how Lemmy made up communities? Lol you don’t call microblogs “toots” either. Seems every fediverse software has their own terminology.
Also it’s dev, singular. Kbin has been put together by only one dev. I personally find that damn impressive considering it’s functionally on par with Lemmy being only 2 months old to Lemmy’s 4 years.
Community seems like a fine name, did you want them to call it a subreddit? Lol
Nothing wrong with community, the point is Lemmy create the term the same as Kbin created magazine. Not every microblogging site in the fediverse calls them “toots” for example.
Really? Kbin as the name is what intrigued me initially over Lemmy. It’s actually inspired by Linux, the sbin directory to be specific.
Started on lemmy. Haven’t gotten annoyed yet and can’t currently be bothered to try yet another new thing.
Same for me. Pure laziness.
I already put in a lot of time to figure this out, I need to rest for a bit before I jump into kbin.
I liked both but ultimately joined Lemmy over kbin because it seems like there's more interest in building mobile apps for Lemmy. (Currently using Jerboa) Also like that my Lemmy instance is based on renewable energy which is nice.
What a difference, we can talk to each other :F
Lemmy is the first one I heard about, and that's where I made my account. Kbin is also a much newer project, so I'm less confident that it'll be around in the mid-to-long term future than lemmy.world, and I'd rather not have to make a new account.
I'm in both, but I'm a Reddit refugee looking for a similar experience. 99% of my Reddit's time was through the RIF app and Jeroba looks and feels the same, so currently I only use lemmy.
I wouldn't mind switching over to kbin if it gets better in the future since I can read everything from anywhere.
I have accounts on 3 Lemmy instances and this one on kbin, right now I use kbin a bit more cause it‘s smoother for me, but if Lemmy apps mature faster I might use those more.
I never really got that attached to any of my Reddit accounts either, so that feels natural to me.
Personally using Lemmy as I find the interface, syntax (linking users and communities), and deployment easy to use.
Also I personally want to contribute to Lemmy and learning Rust is a high priority in my personal and work life.
I found a specific Lemmy instance that I wanted to join. For what I use it for the format suits me better but if not for this instance I probably would've been on kbin just cuz it seems easier to interact with mastodon through it
I tried Kbin and its way harder for me somehow searching other federated instanced content on Kbin than on lemmy.
It feels like for Kbin you need to go first to lets say Lemmy.world and then check the list and copy the names of each then search it.
on any lemmy instance i can simply search the things and find stuff of other instances way easier.
also Lemmy is like WAY bigger of user base posts and comments.
The syntax is slightly different in Kbin: @community
Also, you need to do it from the all magazines search bar.
That made it work.
I have accounts on both because I feel like we're going to see a lot of changes over the coming months, and I'm curious to see how the two evolve. I'm mostly using Lemmy right now because I find Kbin's interface a little annoying to use, but they're both being actively updated so that might change soon.
I just heard about Lemmy first. Maybe later I'll try kbin too.
Idk i just heard of lemmy first
Php
What’s a kbin?
Think of it like Lemmy but with a different UI plus the ability to "tweet" on mastodon. I'm commenting from kbin right now, we can all see the same posts because it's federated.
I like both. Currently on kbin because of the All bug on lemmy. My aim is to use both for a longer period.
Is that where the all section just constantly keeps loading more and more and more and you can't even use it because it's flying downwards?
I first was on Lemmy, now on kbin. Kbin is just a much more nicer experience. Also it's not developed by tankies who glorify f*cking Mao Zedong. Simple as that.
You were on lemmygrad?
I just looked a bit through the mastodon accounts of core developers.
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The Lemmy devs claim the tankie thing was a claim by one Mastodon user with no proof. I keep people say they are, but haven't seen anything yet to back it up. Including several comments where people have asked for proof. Is there any?
The tankie thing keeps pushing me away from lemmy, but lemmy seems to be the only software getting clients at the moment. So I'm torn. I want an iOS client badly, but I don't want to support tankies.
I suppose I shouldn't sell out for a nice app though.
Not like they get money from that, they do get money from donations, but I don‘t think just using an open source product is support.
I use like hundreds of open source things and idk the ideology of any of the devs and I don‘t care, they could turn out to be serial killers, I don‘t see my use of their product as an issue. Monetary support is the difference to me.
Maybe I got some messed up morals though, wouldn’t be the first time.
Social networks, even open source ones are only successful if lots of people use them. The more people who join and contribute to the community, the more other people will find things that interest them and then join. Any engagement with the network increases it’s reach and therefore influence. If that network is run by tankies I’d rather not add to its power.
Not all Lemmy instances are run by the Lemmy devs, just lemmygrad and lemmy.ml afaik and since the code for lemmy is open and can be forked, I doubt they are influencing much beyond their own instances.
Lemmy is not ran by tankies, even if it may be developed by one - if the lead devs go off the rails, someone can always fork it and continue development elsewhere; and if any instance goes off the rails it can be defederated (and this is already happening!)
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Kbin just sounds cooler, dude.
I mean, lemmy - that's just lame with extra steps. Eww. Yuck. Yucky. Not cool. Actual cringe, tbh. 🤢
Kbin. That's like cool-beans, dude. Actually rad. And based. 😎
Who doesn't want to be cool? I tell you, nerds, that's who. Do you want to be a nerd? Didn't think so.
Checkmate. Try proving me wrong (pro-tip: you can't)
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