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I'm sure this is due at least in part to some sort of self-fulfilling prophecy, as I can identify with and relate to others like me and vice versa, while neuotypicals tend to not tolerate my idiosyncrasies etc. Either way, it sucks being all "I had a social obligation early in the day and it was exhausting but it's done, I had some time to recharge and I don't feel like isolating for once" but all I get back is crickets. I don't blame anyone in the least - everyone's got their own shit they're dealing with. It's just disheartening.

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[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

how have you been? any progress? any changes with your friends?

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Hey, thanks for the follow up, I appreciate it. Everything is status quo basically. My spouse and I got out of the house a few times this month but that's pretty much it. We haven't had company since December I think (house is a disaster area due to the basement still being empty). Our friends are still going through their own things. It's like we just exist to pay bills and anything outside of that is considered a luxury.

ETA: trying to make friends at group therapy is... challenging. Everyone is there because they're messed up. Connections are still made sometimes, everything is fine, then they're just not there anymore.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I can relate to all of that. I've been feeling like every single day is a mission for over a year now. Lately, I've been getting short waves of life seemingly out of nowhere, but then it's back to muscling through. And yeah, I was in a therapy group a while ago. I remember getting the feeling that everyone was worried about socializing with each other. We were all a bit mistrusting. There has to be something else, right? This can't be it.

edit: You're welcome 🙂

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 1 points 4 months ago

while neuotypicals tend to not tolerate my idiosyncrasies

This line made me reflect on my experiences. I think that maybe NTs do not tolerate idiosyncrasies well for two reasons. One is their well-established cultural value for conformity based on their position in their social hierarchy. So someone that isn't in a powerful position is not supposed to break with conformity. Two, however, is that maybe they assume that we should know better. Breaking social norms can be offensive. If we are seen as mentally incapacitated, then we get a pass with breaking social norms until it becomes annoying. Nonetheless, if we are seen as being capable of understanding social norms, then we are purposely violating them, which they find offensive. The implication of breaking social norms is that we are either (a) placing ourselves on the top of the hierarchy or (b) damaging the socially agreed upon collective truth.

A possible third reason is everyone's need for predictability. People that do not follow the standard model of social behavior are unpredictable, and that is uncomfortable to them. Meanwhile, at least for me but possibly common among neurodivergents, I do not have a good working standard model that applies to everyone. I seriously have to build a profile on every individual I meet, which is why I am a bit reserved at first. Once I have a good profile and know what to expect with an individual, I feel comfortable with them. Interestingly, someone that is unique upfront comes off as authentic to me, so I will likely find them more appealing. Conversely, if they are entirely normal at first, they seem to be following the standard model, which may hint at inauthenticity to me. Really, what I might be doing in this situation is projection. I think that if I'm behaving in accordance to normal standards, then I am masking, so someone doing the same is also masking. What may actually be happening is that they are actually authentically normal and not masking at all. 🤯

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Just so you know, the all feed brings all kinds of communities and instances to folks that don't necessarily have a connection to them (or not a direct one). So, you may end up with neurotypical people responding (including me, depending on how you define neurodivergence; no autism, but some adhd here)

But you're not the only one dawdling dealing with life crises in your circle. The world is kinda going crazy in a lot of ways, so everyone is having trouble coping. That nestles right in with long term mental health issues and neurological issues that have mental health symptoms.

So, I hope you don't get too disheartened. There's still going to be times when things sync up, and your circle will be able to interact with you while you're also able to with them. That's the good thing about life, on a long enough time scale there's plenty of good times to go with the bad. Well, until the end, but that's a different thing.

Fwiw, us neurotypical/non-autistic folks know that our idiosyncrasies can be hard to tolerate too. It can be hard bridging a brain difference that's big enough, no matter where on the spectrum of human neurology someone is. All any of us can do is try