Fediverse

Discord is pretty much against everything the open web is about. Closed source and proprietary protocols... Probably tons of data mining of users as well.

Yeah I mean, LW using discord instead of a FOSS option is not a good look...

I mean, I do get it to some extent.

As an admin myself, every time I make a post on lemmy aimed at members of my instance, it gets drowned out by folk from other instances that want to offer their thoughts and opinions.

That being said, Discord is not the answer to that problem...

Sh.itjust.works uses matrix like any normal lemmy instance would.

Very reddit of them?

This gives out the impression they don't care about lemmy being open source and decentralized but rather they are at it for a piece of the cake

I couldn't agree more. We shouldn't need to be somewhere else to receive announcements (especially such important ones).

Not to mention Discord's horrible record of privacy and security. I don't have an account and will never make one, and I'm sure many others in the fediverse will agree.

I actually just tested out the account making process, and I got asked for my phone number. No. Way.

We're here because we care about a decentralized, open network. Aside from its confusing and busy UX, it's not even indexable. Discord is literally a black hole for information and terrible for everyone except for Discord itself, who is doing who knows what with all of our data.

Discord is everything the fediverse stands against.

This whole situation is rubbing me the wrong way. I can understand the motives behind defederating even if I don’t agree but it’s been a day and the only announcement is still on Discord. Not ideal.

Discord is cancer, and FOSS communities should avoid it like the plague. It's everything that is against foss philosophy.

It would definitely make more sense to post the announcements on Lemmy rather than another discord server.

IMHO, Rather than dividing the stream of new information it would be better to focus on one platform.

Personally I dislike discord as the conversations there are too fast for me.

The moment I learned about defederation, I made an account on an instance that didn't do that.

Here's a website you can use to check what your instance is blocking.

https://fba.ryona.agency/

They could have gotten feedback if the comments were not turned off. I'll give the benefit of the doubt there's a good reason to not have comments on for that post but that and using Discord is two orange flags.

I've found there is a culture within Lemmy developers and long-time operators to discuss in Discord or Matrix chat instead of "eating their own dogfood" and using Lemmy itself to openly discuss Lemmy technical and project issues. These chat services are legendary for keeping things away from search engines and newcomers getting up to speed. Lemmy itself isn't nearly as search-engine friendly as Reddit was traditionally, it seems like feedback needs to be given as to how important it is to keep things about Lemmy in the eyes of those who actually use Lemmy...

I think Discord is great, as long as you account for its shortcomings:

• It should be treated as ephemeral - up to the point of "the service could completely shut down tomorrow"
• It should not be treated as fully private or secure

I love how snappy it is (I never have to wait minutes for messages to load, as I do in Matrix), and also how there are a ton of Lemmy users who have Discord open in the background anyway. While I wouldn't ever propose moving something like the main Lemmy communication channels to Discord, I do think it's much easier to have IMs with regular Lemmy users on Discord than it is to do so on Matrix (as in my experience, most regular users do not have a Matrix client installed).

By the way, lemm.ee also has a Discord server. It's only treated as a secondary channel, all announcements are posted in our meta community on Lemmy itself, and just linked to from Discord, but it's still nice to have IMO.

Even assuming my ancient Discord login still works (didn’t they make everyone change their names or something? idk if that affects accounts) it doesn’t look like you can use it on a phone without downloading the app, and I’m not doing that just to check for Lemmy announcements. Discuss controversial decisions there if you have to, but announce them here first.

This is disappointing because thus far, I have been really happy with the communication and transparency of lemmy.world. But with this change, I will unfortunately not see announcements anymore.

I left lemmy.world because they were doing nonsense like this. I recommend to others doing the same.

There's admin drama now. Oh boy Lemmy really is busy like reddit.

Lemmy.world announces blocking communities via Discord

I can't even verify if this was posted on their site.

• Discord is currently up. It's usually up.
• https://lemmy.world/ is currently down. (Cloudflare - bad gateway.) It's often down.

Thanks for raising the issue.

Most probably, people who made that decision are not aware of the implications and made that choice in good faith, so it's worth giving reasons why you want them to avoid proprietary software, rather than just frowning at them.

To the admins of lemmy.world and anyone who feels confuse about why this is an issue : it is about freedom. You all know how Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc are turning ugly, and you can't do anything about it. With FOSS (Free and Open Source Software), when it turns ugly, you can do something about it. You (or any technical person who agrees with you) can take the code and go your own way with it (we call that "forking"). No decision of the authors can be forced upon you. Similarly, if you think something is not working right, you can fix it yourself, and send the changes to the maintainers of the code, who usually are happy to get some help. So it's also about freedom of fixing your own problems, instead of waiting and praying the authors do something about it.

And this is the whole spirit of the Fediverse : taking matters in our own hands instead of being betrayed once more by a company which decides that their bottom line requires to be user hostile. One day, this will happen to Discord to, it always ends up there. That's why people using Lemmy who are aware of those problems are not happy with seeing lemmy.world use Discord.

Thanks to the admins of lemmy.world for all the work they provide to the Fediverse.