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Looking for some testimonials on these setups as I'm due for a keyboard upgrade. I like the thought of spreading my arms a bit more and the external wrist rotation from the tenting. Any suggestions?

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[–] CoffeeBot@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

I got Lulu Keyboard that’s split. I was having a lot of pain from typing and this has really helped me. I think I would upgrade and get an even nicer one to be honest

[–] denton@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I started off with the quefrency, a split 'normal' keyboard, then started making my own (3d printed handwired) orthos.

Then I saw the alu case for iris and got tempted but am unwilling to drop >$300 on a layout I've never used before, so designed my own case with tilt and 3d printed and handwired that (all for ~£30 only!! split orthos CAN be cheap! - my first post on Lemmy was on this :D) And have been daily driving it so far

Column staggered is defo the way to go

[–] JustBrian7872@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm going down that rabbit hole as well - I've already built a handwired 3d printed keyboard and my current project is a split with a 4-way switch as a thumb cluster - inspired by the Fulcrum and in case I need a different cluster, this part of the case is modular.

[–] denton@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My next build was (probably) going to be a remix of the iris and I wanted to include a joystick so I could use it 4 ways (towards left, highlight words to left; to right, layer; up down, vol controls).

I'd never come across 4/5 way switches before so that's definitely something I'll be looking into! Thanks for sharing!!

What CAD program do you use for designing your cases?

[–] JustBrian7872@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah you're right, it's a 5 way switch - forgot the "push" action. I'm using realthunders' branch of FreeCAD - it is really convenient to use compared to the normal release.

[–] denton@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh I might have to take a look at that, I also use FreeCAD! Damn look at all these things you're introducing me to 😂

[–] JustBrian7872@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

That's awesome, glad to hear that! If you're still learning it like me, I can really recommend the videos by OficineRobotica on YouTube (like quick recap on some additions to the branch and the series about building a Raspberry Pi case)

[–] letThemPlay@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

I started off getting a Dygma Raise, as this is a staggered layout like a standard keyboard and you could even slot it together or separate it and use as a split.

I recently put together a Lily58 which is a columnar layout, which took a few days to get used to but I have been enjoying using it.

[–] DrDeadCrash@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Boss bought me a UHK, I love it. The split and tent is great on my wrists and fingers. And it's extremely programmable.

[–] kresten@feddit.dk 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's awesome with a workplace that cares about ergonomics

[–] packadal@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bought a moonlander by ZSA about a year ago.

I found the split allows for a much more relaxed position while writing, and being able to adjust the halves individually when I reposition myself is very comfortable.

They also have the benefit of having thumb clusters, giving more work to the strongest finger of the hand.

Another benefit I find is that most split keyboards are fully programmable, which makes customizing it to your needs very nice.

The only drawback I find to this keyboard (apart from the price, which is not cheap) is that it is hefty, and not easy to transport. The fact that it is wired clutters a bit the desktop, if this is something that concerns you.

I recently built a corne low profile yo have something more transportable and wireless, but this is much more involved, as the configuration goes through writing code and not a nice UI.

However the comfort of this new board is very nice.

There was a whole subreddit dedicated to ergonomcal keyboards, ErgoMechKeyboards, which is very interesting to browse, as what I have done is seen as extreme by my coworkers, but tame compared to what some people are do.

[–] leakybits@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I can vouch for the moonlander too. I had an Ergodox EZ for ~3 years, then got a Moonlander, and I've loved them both. Really comfortable to use, and as someone with some chronic wrist issues, honestly a career saver. The Moonlander is also slightly easier than the Ergodox EZ regarding transport as it folds a bit tighter and came with a carry case.

[–] Sleeping@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 1 year ago

I use a BFO-9000 and I love it! Although its an ortholinear layout so if you went for it it'd probably take some time to get used to.

[–] ffmike@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

More anecdata, but 10-15 years ago I started getting RSI/carpal tunnel symptoms in both hands. I switched to tented keyboards (mainly Kinesis) and vertical mice (Anker among others) and the symptoms went away. I was able to finish out a programming career until I retired a few years ago. So thumbs-up from me. If you're on a Mac, the Kinesis Freestyle is perfectly plug & play. I would recommend checking out a vertical mouse at the same time.

[–] TheAgeOfSuperboredom@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I got a Glove80 recently and so far I love it! It took some getting used to but it's very comfortable and seems to be helping with my RSI.

[–] tulth@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

i have an ergodox and its good, but my kinesis advantage is noticably easier on my hands

[–] MachineTeaching@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It makes a lot of sense to me, although I haven't jumped on one yet.

But I refuse to use anything but a 65%, I have a seperate numpad if I need one and having mouse and keyboard closer together is already a godsend ergonomics wise, I have no idea how I could stand full size boards back in the day.

A split keyboard is already great because your arms can be in a normal position and proper tenting and tilt makes sure your wrists are at a good angle as well.

That said, most of the more "advanced" split keyboards have pretty.. unique layouts and I don't know if I'll get used to them. I also really want to keep my arrow keys and don't want to rely on layers too much, for stuff like the F keys and other rarely used functions it's fine but I don't want layers for anything that's a regular part of my workflow.

Maybe I'll just get a quefrency and see how it goes.

[–] AbstractLinguist@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

The Microsoft Sculpt keyboard is my perfect keyboard. They discontinued it a couple months ago, but you can still find them in Amazon. Tented and split (though it’s one solid unit, so no customization) with a separate wireless numpad for exactly the reason you described. Typing on anything else makes my fingers go numb after about half an hour.

Still thinking about trying a fully customizable one someday though, but I’m not sure it’s worth the expense for me

[–] priapus@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

I use an Iris, a split ortholinear board. I also used a pack of differently sized rubber feet to tent the board a small amount. I love using it, I wish I could have one for every system I use.

I'm even keeping my eye on the Framework 16 inch laptop, since the customizable keyboard module will allow for a split board!

I would like to try one, but I have yet to see one that comes at a price that's even remotely tied to reality. If anyone can recommend a split keyboard (assembled, not a kit) that I can buy for under $200 I would be all over it.

[–] LucidDaemon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

My wife and I use the ZSA moonlander when we're not gaming. When we game we switch to regualr 60%s. I also have a custom built split keyboard that I don't really use.

For me, it saved my wrists. My wrist and forearms used to go numb after extended coding sessions while using a regular 60%. I no longer have that issue using a split.

I do recommend researching switches, as I found that using Gateron Red Inks, 45g actuation force, also added to relieving stress on my wrists. I lubed and filmed them too, which is overboard for most.

I also recommend trying different key layouts, I use Colemak DH, but Workman and regular Colemak are also good. They lower the finger movement needed to press the most used letters in English. Layouts can be changed on the hardware level on the Moonlander, allowing it to just work on any device.

https://colemakmods.github.io/mod-dh/ https://workmanlayout.org/

[–] Ekis@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I suggest the Moonlander by ZSA. It checks all the boxes for me:

  • Ortholinear
  • Fully programmable keys
  • Programmable RGB lighting
  • Hot-swappable keys (the keys are not soldered onto the board, allowing you to change the keyswitches)
  • Built-in wrist support (can be detached or folded to hide it)

I've been happily using the Moonlander for over a year and can't see myself going back to a normal keyboard.

[–] teruma@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I absolutely adore my kinesis freestyle 2. I have the 15° tilt attachments, and my wrists dont feel uncomfortable at all at the end of the day like they used to.

[–] Phyxius@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

I have a ReDox keyboard built by https://falba.tech/. It took a month of getting used to but once I did I can’t go back. My wrist pain is gone and the layers I built make me faster in practice than I was on a standard layout.

[–] stu@lemmy.pit.ninja 1 points 1 year ago

They take a fair amount of getting used to, especially if you get an ortholinear variety. You might find yourself not really enjoying it out the gate, but it'll force you into better typing posture and you'll grow to love it over time and hate the times you have to type on a standard keyboard. I have an Ergodox and the ortholinear aspect took a while to get used to and settling into a function keys layout I liked took another good while. Expect to be worse at typing and less productive at the outset. Your hands and wrists will thank you in the long run, though.

[–] SomeGuyNamedPaul@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been using a Microsoft natural keyboard since 1998. I switched over to the Elite when they came out and I have several spares stockpiled. They helped a lot with the wrist comfort and honestly they improved by typing by enforcing which fingers press which keys.

I have a hard time using a straight keyboard, not because I can't adapt but because they're just plain uncomfortable. So when a thing hurts when you do it then you stop doing it. You'll see.

I printed out and mostly built a Dactyl keyboard but never got around to finishing it because work is super picky about what USB devices can be hooked up to our machines and QMK firmware will absolutely look like a mouse jiggler to their security scanning software. I had to unplug a frickin' volume knob because it was alerting every day as a security risk or something.

[–] benark@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Same here. People give me a hard time for having a 15 year old Dell-branded Natural Pro keyboard and a stockpile of spares but they seem to last forever and fit me so well, ergonomically.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I personally don’t love split but I know keebio specializes in split keyboards and many with tenting as well.

[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was the IT Director for a company that had a lot of data entry people. I had noticed that the keyboards that they were using were mostly plain jane, mismatched, membrane keyboards. After a bit of back and forth with purchasing I convinced the company to purchase a ton of mechanical (cherry reds), split ergonomic keyboards.

Within a month RSI reports were down by 95% and after 2 months were essentially nonexistent. I also noticed that people had stopped wearing wrist braces as well. I paired this with good, well shaped mice that would hopefully lead to less fatigue with repetitive motion.

My sample size is tiny, but there are 30 some odd people who if asked, would back me up on this. So while not thoroughly scientifically proven, I am willing to say that ergonomic keyboards do make a big difference. I think mechanical makes a pretty big difference too. Cherry reds activate with very little pressure and, imo, make typing long documents or notes much less annoying/stressful/painful/

[–] pixxel@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

I got my piantor yesterday and i really like it so far, it was a bit of a challenge to set everything up in a way i like. And my writing speed has deceased from 140 wpm to about 30. But that is just a matter of relearning to write on this keyboard and unlearning years of bad writing practices.

[–] snapbuzz@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My first split was a Moonlander which I still have and use, and I love it. Then I got a Rollow and a Waterfowl (both on group buys) and I absolutely adore them.

It does take some reprogramming the muscle memory to get used to a split ortho, but it's been worth it. I can type longer without my wrists hurting, and the freedom in key customisation is awesome.

Using a split lets me keep my hands further apart, so my shoulders are back in a more natural position. That has helped quite a bit with upper back pain.

I tent the Moonlander, but not my other two. Tenting is really comfortable, but I'd recommend starting flat and increasing angle gradually since the split ortho is already a lot to get used to.

Switching to a split is also a good time to switch to another layout like colemak if you have any interest. Your fingers will be slightly confused anyway. Doing that helped me keep my QWERTY muscle memory for normal keyboards.

[–] Cratermaker@lemmy.click 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tried using a split keyboard at work for a while but I found that it was too difficult to use all the symbols and extra keys. I'm a programmer so I need to type brackets and colons and things constantly. I bet it would be pretty easy to get used to for someone who mostly types actual English.

[–] snapbuzz@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah that's definitely a challenge. I had to tweak it some, but luckily I found Miryoku so I can get all the special characters without reaching too far. Even bound a key to :: for Rust. It does take quite a while to get used to though and I had to switch off with a normal keyboard at the beginning when I needed to get something done quickly.

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