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I recently set up Sonarr and Radarr on my home server and I'm loving it.

However, I don't get why you would ever use Lidarr. Why would you ever download music using torrents? You can use tools like spotdl and yt-dlp to download songs from YouTube music and Spotify, it's faster and more reliable; I have had some issues finding torrents of music from less-known artists.

To me it seems like it would be much better to have a tool like Lidarr or have support in Jellyseerr to download music from common streaming services.

What are your views on this?

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[–] ReedReads@lemmy.zip 72 points 5 months ago (6 children)

YouTube and Spotify don’t have flac or alac filetypes.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Similar here, but I don’t do google and I hate Spotify lawl. I do download for my collection, but I’ve also subscribed to Apple Music because I don’t wanna fuck around with putting music on my phone, I mostly use my phone for podcasts.

But I just for some headphones that use spatial sound and holy shit is that fantastic. I have like five nice pairs of open-back fancy headphones and now I’m using my probudz all the time because it makes your music sound 4.5D and you can look around if you want and it sounds like you’re at a concert

[–] ReedReads@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I’m in the market for fancy headphones. What do you recommend? I mostly listen to flac tracks ripped from CDs and also would use headphones for watching movies from Jellyfin. All done at home.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

HEAVILY recommend Sennheiser HD560s.

I love my Grados and other Sennheisers and I’ve tried some others that need amps, but I always come back to my 560s. They’re the best price for performance of all I own. If you’re patient, I got mine for 180USD.

BUDGET? Looove my Grado SR80e. Under a hundred bucks for some REALLY nice sound quality.

These are all open-back, so you’ll get a really good soundstage but they’re not great for loud environments. But damn do they sound good.

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[–] Proteus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Basically boils down to quality. The default options for pirated music are FLAC 44.1-96 kHz 16-24 bit, or MP3 320kbps.

Both are better than YouTube quality.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 14 points 5 months ago

Yep, don't need to get a headache from crappy 128bps mp3s.

Also because fuck this rent-music mentality.

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[–] cheddar@programming.dev 41 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Because some music is not available on streaming platforms. Occasionally artists and labels decide to split their ways, and suddenly their older albums are gone. Over the years I started losing notable chunks of music I like from my playlists.

[–] HouseWolf@lemm.ee 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Not only that but the original mixes of albums often don't get put on streaming platforms because of licensing bullshit or whatever.

And especially for rock and metal the newer remasters of popular albums tend to be pretty bad and overly compressed or have weird post EQ added.

[–] shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 40 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] Marighost@lemm.ee 19 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Hell, I wish my downloads took money directly from him. He sucks.

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[–] srsh@lemmy.wtf 35 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If i can't buy it in bandcamp friday i'm pirating it.

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[–] Link@rentadrunk.org 34 points 5 months ago (4 children)

FLAC files - better sound quality

[–] Anamana@feddit.de 4 points 5 months ago

The right Deezer Downloaders have Flac tho

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[–] Mister_GothFvck@lemmy.studio 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
  • quality
  • organization of files
  • proper metadata
  • extras like photos/other images, lyrics, links, etc
  • community (on various torrent sites, mainly)
  • not being reliant on a company and centralized servers
  • someone paid for the album.. band made more from that one sale than how many streams of it? Lol 😐
  • commands are crowding my CLI history. Lol

It depends what it is and maybe I'm not savvy enough but, I find it easier to use bittorrent still.

Some things are easier to find on YT or X streaming service so, I'd say multiple methods these days are necessary depending on what one is into.

To that end, I think we need to just reach out to bands and point them to a primer on uploading their music. Additionally, more people need to go to shows and start creating high quality torrents of smaller, more independant bands. As well as people creating torrents or torrent packs for the stuff that gets ripped from the other sources.

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 21 points 5 months ago

Because back when the only way to listen to new music was to buy it, then find out a load of it was absolute tripe, then not be able to take it back.

So fuck 'em. I download first, then if I like it I buy it. There's quite a few CDs on my shelf that I first pirated. And no CDs that are full of lame filler shite.

[–] fourwd@programming.dev 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You can use tools like spotdl and yt-dlp to download songs from YouTube music and Spotify

To get quality like this https://youtu.be/cX4KA-AFS9M ? Nah thanks.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 months ago

That video is A ART

When I started driving and my friends or partners would be like “can I play a song I love on your nice sound system” and they pulled up YouTube (this woulda been like late 00s to mid 2010s) it LEGITIMATELY SOUNDED LIKE THAT TO ME.

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[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 16 points 5 months ago

You sort of asked two different questions there. Generally I don't torrent music these days, though I have done in the past (Audio-4U, for example). I do use P2P methods like Soulseek for some stuff but predominately I rely on direct downloads through DoujinStyle.

In terms of why I pirate, it's because I can't afford to buy all my music and streaming services offer inferior quality, catalogue size and revenue to the artists. I'd rather manually curate my own offline collection and put the money I would spend on a streaming subscription directly towards an artist whose work I particularly liked whenever I can afford to do so.

[–] invisiblegorilla@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Quality. YouTube audio leaves something to be desired.. Spotify though... I never heard of that tool so thanks.

[–] kamiheku@sopuli.xyz 26 points 5 months ago

FYI SpotDL also downloads from YouTube, it just reads Spotify playlists.

[–] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 15 points 5 months ago

Because I have a hoarding problem, and channeling it towards data hoarding prevents me from having all the conventional problems that come with hoarding.

[–] pelletbucket@lemm.ee 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

but to answer your question, I've heard audiophiles complain about the highest possible quality you can get from a YouTube rip. so, I'm assuming that some of the torrents out there are higher quality than what you can get from youtube

[–] RinseDrizzle@midwest.social 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Pretty much this. I like to DJ, mostly a hobbyist over paying gigs these days, and have plenty of tunes ripped from the tube. Now I have the fun task of trying to replace everything with higher quality versions. Shitty rips are fine enough for a house party on a humble audio system, but proper venues with subs and high fidelity audio setup make it obvious you ripped from YouTube.

In a perfect world I would love to buy what I use. Problem is I would need an insane budget to grab what I want. I listen to a lot of a music.

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[–] scaryjelly@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago

I dowload my flacs via soulseekqt. sadly torrent is not cool for music anymore..

[–] plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 5 months ago

if the music is older, and not from the US, it's often not on spotify. Versions matter too - even for some mainstream bands their B sides/acoustic/live versions just aren't on spotify or youtube. Album metadata for spotify is garbage too - it just isn't an adequate replacement for a record collection.

I do use a spotify subscription, but for me it's a tool for playlist generation and music discovery.

Also audio quality, as others have mentioned.

[–] Brain@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I still burn CDs... my ancient vehicle has a multi-disc changer and doesn't require my phone to be on, so I like having the best quality I can get before I do the burning.

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[–] RGB@group.lt 10 points 5 months ago

I mostly pirate for others to leech. Always my slsk is getting upwards of 40 users and 30MB/s upload. It is harder and harder to get packs, or music in general from private and not trackers. Redacted does not have everything, I love the idea of big repository of music and share upwards of 50TB on slsk. Lots of Dj's, new producers and podcast use this stuff :) I pay for youtube premium, but never rip it, I almost always buy music I like trough Bandcamp if it is available.

[–] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Downloading from YouTube or Spotify is still piracy. And those sources offer mostly shit quality far removed from the artist's intent.

Believe it of not, there are things that aren't on Spotify, YouTube, TIDAL, Apple Music, Bandcamp, or any streaming service. Sometimes when a streaming service does have a song or album, it's either not the best quality or only a radio censored version available, even if Spotify claims it's the explicit version. And that explicit tag feels like a slander because the original intent should be default and the radio edits should be the one's with the CENSORED tag.

There is great music out there you can't purchase or stream a digital release of.

There are old and often played CDs in my collection that can't be ripped properly (by me) for one reason or another.

There are some really high quality vinyl recordings out there, done by people with better hardware and more skill than I. Again, many of these vinyl releases are not available in any other format and are no longer available for purchase anywhere.

The real primary reason I got into it, in the long ago times of Napster, was that I liked to make mixtapes/discs. When radio was no longer playing songs I wanted on those tapes, the wilds of Internet was the answer.

I still regularly support the artists I like as directly as I can: buying albums and merch directly from them at shows or their own websites. And I spend more of that money on more artists and especially less popular artists specifically because of the habits listed above.

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago

Same reason as usual : the music I like isn't conveniently available elsewhere I've looked to purchase, or available at unreasonable prices that won't benefit the artist, and I refuse to stream shit. So the high seas it is!

[–] Sabakodgo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago

Game or anime songs are often not available in their full versions on YouTube or Spotify. Also better sound quality.

[–] three@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

I'm tired of scrolling through my playlists and seeing "this track is unavailable".

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 7 points 5 months ago

Piracy for privacy!

[–] the_doktor@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 months ago

I don't have internet on the go and they're killing CDs.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 5 months ago

On the rare occasion it's not on Spotify? Because it's not on Spotify and I wanna hear it.

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

if you're an audiophile you can get flacs and stuff (but tbh I'd rather store my music in opus, flac just seems like a waste of space)

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[–] xcjs@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Show me a music store I can purchase music from on my phone through an app, and I'll purchase it.

[–] Kissaki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
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[–] Sunny@slrpnk.net 5 points 5 months ago

I guess lidar also sorts music for you, like radarr and sonarr does with Movirs/Series.

[–] kugmo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

I never bought CDs to begin with because when I was little my dad pirated music and I followed his way. Then when YouTube was getting popular in the 2000s people uploaded music there and I never saw a reason to buy it.

[–] green_dot@le.fduck.net 4 points 5 months ago

I use Lidarr to watch for new releases and try to get some bootleg albums, while main way of getting things is trough some websites or just pulling stuff from qobuz directly.

All the music is FLAC with a small percentage in mp3 320. also, man sometimes wants to get that 300GB discography pack with 6 different releases of the same album 😁

[–] Tempo@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

I used to pay for Deezer used and a variety of downloaders to download FLACs from them, but then they seemed to break that at some point and a ton of metadata was borked. Also, some artists who were on a bunch of different labels only ever had stuff from just one label on there, which meant a trip to the torrent sites/Soulseek anyway.

I just gave up and went back to Soulseek and RuTracker for my music after a while.

[–] ilikenoodlez@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

$10 a month for the rest of my life seems expensive.

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