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Bots are better than humans at cracking ‘Are you a robot?’ Captcha tests, study finds
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 10 Aug 2023
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"Only human intelligence can solve" gives answer
Levels of smart and dumb. Facepalm moment.
I think the response is meant to be tongue in cheek.
If that's chatGPT it's supposedly programed to stop looking further at a site when it encounters a captcha. So that response would make sense.
The "requires human intelligence and perception to solve" after having just solved it at least feels a little sardonic.
At this rate Skynet will be like "I'm going to nuke the world on X data, I've already taken over all the launch computers, but I'm not going to tell you or it would ruin my plans."
These LLMs "think" by generating text, and we can see what that text is. It reminds me of this scene from Westworld (NSFW, nudity): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnxJRYit44k
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In fairness, that style of captcha has been broken for a while, hence why they're not still in use.
ChatGPT just want Mr. Incredible on you.
I'd like to tell you that the captcha says overlooks and inquiry, but I can't. I'm sorry ma'am. I know you're upset. I'd like to help you, but I can't.
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huh
That... Actually seems like not that bad of an idea (at least for forum/reddit/lemmy bots)
Well, if you ignore the infeasibility aspect of getting the humans to cooperate and stuff
Well, if you ignore the infeasibility aspect of getting the humans to cooperate and stuff
Don't you fucking tell me what to do!
gets mace
Yes silly humans, fight amongst yourselves
Wasn't that basically the intention behind the Upvote and Downvote systems in Lemmy, StackExchange/Overflow, Reddit, or old YouTube? The idea being that helpful, constructive comments would get pushed to the top, whereas unhelpful or spam comments get pushed to the bottom (and automatically hidden).
It's just that it didn't really work out quite the same way in practice due to botting, people gaming the votes, or the votes not being used as expected.
Yep the flaw is assuming that humans would actually select for constructive comments. It's a case where humans claim that's what they want, but human actions do not reflect this. We'd eventually build yet another 'algorithm that picks what immediately appeals to most users' rather than 'constructive'. You'd also see the algorithm splinter along ideological lines as people tend to view even constructive comments from ideologies they disagree with unfavorably
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Bots on Reddit already steal parts of upvoted comments and post them elsewhere in the same post to get upvotes themselves (so the account can be used for spam later)
Even with context they can be very difficult to spot sometimes.
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Everyone knows that the real purpose of CAPTCHA tests are to train computers to replace us.
This but unironically.. The purpose literally is to train computers to get better at recognising things
Specifically to help train AI for Google's self driving car division.
Specifically to force all of us to do unpaid labor for Google.
Where's my fucking paycheck‽
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And also to frustrate people who use anonimization techniques including use of the Tor Network to get them to turn off their protections to be more easily fingerprinted.
The funniest part of that is the people designing the AI systems seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that they're slowly but surely trying to eliminate their own species. ☹️
Yes the planet got destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders.
online study
not peer reviewed
"published" on arxiv (which is a public document server, not a journal)
study and authors not named or linked in the article
tl/dr: "Someone uploaded a pdf and we're writing about it."
I suppose it's this paper. Most prolific author seems to be Gene Tsudik, h-index of 103. Yeah that's not "someone". Also the paper is accepted for USENIX Security 2023, which is actually ongoing right now.
Also CS doesn't really do academia like other sciences, being somewhere on the intersection of maths, engineering, and tinkering. Shit's definitely not invalid just because it hasn't been submitted to a journal this could've been a blog post but there's academics involved so publish or perish applies.
Or, differently put: If you want to review it, bloody hell do it it's open access. A quick skim tells me "way more thorough than I care to read for the quite less than extraordinary claim".
I mean its pretty obvious that nowadays AI is absolutely capable of doing that and some people are just blind or fat finger the keyboard.
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There is considerable overlap between the smartest AI and the dumbest humans. The concerns over bears and trash cans in US National Parks was ahead of its time.
Curious how this study suggesting we need a new way to prevent bots came out just a fews days after Google started taking shit for proposing something that among other things would do just that.
Just encountered a captcha yesterday that I had to refresh several times and then listen to the audio playback. The letters were so obscured by a black grid that it was impossible to read them.
We all knew this day would come, now it's just a matter of making different captcha tests to evade these bots
They were never a test to evade bots to begim with, most capchas were used to train machine learning algorithms to train the bots on ! Just because it was manual labour google got it done for free , using this bullshit captcha thingy ! We sort of trained bots to read obsucre texts , and kinda did the labour for corps for free !
I heard Captcha was being used as training data for self-driving cars. Which probably explains why almost all of them ask you to identify cars, motorcycles, bridges, traffic lights, crosswalks etc.
Both are right. The older ones with squiggly letters, numbers or that ask you to identify animals or objects were being used to train ai bots.
The ones that ask for crosswalks, bikes, overpass, signs etc are used to train self driving ai.
Removed as a protest against the community's support for campaigns to bring about the deaths of members of marginalized groups, and opposition to private entities working to prevent such campaigns, together with it's mindless flaming and downvoting of anyone who disagrees.
Pretty sure I've had "click all bicycles", with a bicycle drawing on the road.
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Or the other approach, make it even harder for humans
...which is the current trend.
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New Captcha question: Does pressing a controller's button harder make the character's action more impactful?
if answer = yes : human
if answer = no : bot
I thought Captcha tests were being used to train image recognition systems no?
Yes, but that's more of a side quest for the system. Primary use case has always been security.
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So just keep the existing tests and change the passing ones to not get access. Checkmate robots.
Just kidding, I welcome our robot overlords...I'll act as your captcha gateway.
So is it time to get rid of them then? Usually when I encounter one of those "click the motorcycles" I just go read something else.
It's a double-edged sword. Just because it doesn't work perfectly doesn't mean it doesn't work.
To a spammer, building something with the ability to break a captcha is more expensive than something that cannot, whether in terms of development time, or resource demands.
We saw with a few Lemmy instances that they're still good at protecting instances from bots and bot signups. Removing captchas entirely means erasing that barrier of entry that keeps a lot of bots out, and might cause more problems than it fixes.
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I thought these were designed to make you want to walk into the ocean.
The passwords of past you've correctly guessed, now it's time for the robot test!
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Bots picking the questions, bots answering them. They clearly understand whatever the fuck the captcha bot thinks a bus is better than I do.
I’ve had to do 15 different captcha tests one after the other and they still wouldn’t validate me today.
Still can’t get in to archive.ly ;-)
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