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Tolerating intolerance (i.imgur.com)

submitted 1 year ago by JennieBreeden@lemmy.sdf.org to c/comics@lemmy.ml

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A society that values free speech rejects Mustache's philosophy. He never gains enough of a following in panel 1, 2, or 3 to be able to enact panel 4.

As soon as we allow ourselves to silence someone, Mustache can use the same argument to justify silencing Black Shirt. When we allow ourselves to suppress an enemy of society, Mustache merely needs to suggest to us that Black Shirt is such an enemy.

The insidious part of fascism is that by the time we get to Panel 4, we are the ones carrying Black Shirt to the gallows.

[–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You seem to have learnt nothing from history and how fascism manifests itself. Adderaline had many good points but you just don't want to actually respond to them? There are so many rightwing, fascistic parties in various countries that already use the rhetoric of panels 1-3. And now society debates if e.g. trans people should be allowed to exist or not, if immigrants should be deported or not, if racism is actually a thing or not. We need to define a line where we will not tolerate further discussions. Because if we allow any form of discussion on certain topics, we will again and again get to the point where we argue about someone's right to exist. And this will result in panel 4. I'm glad for you that you don't seem to be affected by this. But please listen to people who are. It is very very frightening if people are publicly debating if they should consider you a valuable human being or not. And even more so as right wing and fascist politics are gaining more traction worldwide.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 11 months ago

Adderaline did, indeed, have many good points, just not any that were actually relevant. None of my arguments denied the prosecution or condemnation of death threats. As I am not defending threats or other forms of violence, there is no issue under dispute, and nothing for me to engage.

Every fascist movement has attempted to suppress groups they deem undesirable or offensive. Your determination that racists are undesirable does not impress me. Nor your targeting of homophobes, transphobes, sexists. The reason your calls for suppression against these people don't impress me today is because I have no idea who you are going to be trying to suppress tomorrow.

I take my guidance from Thomas Paine:

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.

Fascism manifests by constantly identifying new and exciting targets for oppression. I reserve my right to disagree with you in the future, so I must defend against your suppressive acts today.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is like the 3rd or 4th comic from this artist with the same message, same punchline, and same structure. We get it, Jennie.

[–] jhulten@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then filter/block her and move on instead of policing what she writes.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago

Block me and move on instead of policing what I bitch about.

[–] ccryx@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you (not you personally) though?

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah. The ones who are capable of getting it already got it before the comics were made. The ones who don't get it are already lost. Nothing important is being done here. We could all go an entire century without the creation of even more more little bit of trite, sanctimonious political proselytization and the course of human development would be literally 100.0% identical because that's what happens when you shovel your opinion into a hypersaturated market for that opinion.