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[–] BaroqueInMind@kbin.run 40 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

Too bad most progressive left leaning people who this comic is talking about don't own firearms to fight the ruling class.

And if you're reading this thinking of rebuking with "there's a lot of liberal gun owners", the reality is that most of pro gun culture is monopolized by right wing Republicans and not only do they outnumber you by an alarmingly high order of magnitude, they side with the boot lickers and cops who protect the ruling class.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

thats the sad truth of it, they ain't massacring us because we ain't a threat. but back when we were, in not-so-distant past, workers were murdered for disrupting and striking.

they don't care about climate change beyond how it affects their power. they will not just repent and hand the world over.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

See, I wonder about this. Perhaps left leaning people are just far less likely to do things that draw attention to their gun ownership. You say gun culture is dominated by the right wing, and I don't disagree with you. Maybe it's just that right wing people make it a cultural thing more.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

If it's a cultural thing then, logically speaking, the conservatives would still end up with more guns.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, corporations with billions and private "security ", backed by governments with billions, police armed like the military, and an army, can be defeated by a bunch of good progressists with guns.

[–] BaroqueInMind@kbin.run 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don't know if you're being dumb or sarcastic. Likely your are stupid and forgot your history.

Vietnam NVA did fine with farmers who had no education, so did the Taliban using the same. Both defeated a coalition backed major military superpower with infinite money and significantly better equipment than them.

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 8 points 6 months ago

Guns aren't the only way to make a revolution, tho

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Your assuming we all live in America where guns are legal. Good luck getting one in the UK.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Seems like that makes you extra fucked in the UK

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Yes and no. We don't have school shootings so that's a plus. I guess not having guns is the cost of that, which is pretty fair. Some people are allowed guns, but you need a special license for it.

Edit: also we actually have stronger unions and more strike action even without guns. They don't actually help outside of a revolution. If anything we have less police violence because we don't have guns, so the most of police don't either. As a police officer you have to have special specific training to even handle a taser, nevermind a gun.

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[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 3 points 6 months ago

We need them on our side!

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[–] BachenBenno@feddit.de 34 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy seems very class conscious to me, I like that

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

It was made by and is maintained by Communists, along Communist principles. Hard not to be at least aware.

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This explains why the religious nutbags in the ruling class are attempting to bring The End Times,

[–] red_rising@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Taking the expression β€˜going out on top’ a little too seriously….

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Even if there's a working class revolution, things are still completely fucked.

The biggest issue isn't who is in charge, it's the fact that humans are fundamentally incapable of cooperating across large groups.

We couldn't even get the population to wear masks during a global pandemic killing so many people that hospitals needed to bring in refrigerator trucks to store the bodies.

But those same salt of the earth workers are going to negotiate climate controls with China?

Yeah, right.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

The biggest issue isn’t who is in charge, it’s the fact that humans are fundamentally incapable of cooperating across large groups.

I'm not so sure that this is an inherent problem with humanity so much as it is a symptom of our current political and economic systems and culture.

Take you pandemic/mask example for instance. Pretty much everyone was on board with masks, social distancing, etc, until a few weeks/months in when it got politicized. Conservative leaders saw they could rile up their base by take a stance against the science. And they took advantage of our cultural preference for individualism where we could instead have a more collectivist culture.

These systems and cultural norms aren't inherent to humans. It's inherent to our shitty half-democracy, capitalism, etc.

But those same salt of the earth workers are going to negotiate climate controls with China?

The oil lobby pays shit loads of money to propagandize the population in the exact same way the tobacco industry did it. Start dealing with that, and the workers won't buy the bullshit propaganda anymore.

Cooperating across large groups is one of our defining characteristics, as a species.

We could get the population to wear masks, in very large part, because certain ultra wealthy interest groups didn't want to close the economy down and make a little bit less money. So, they polluted the avaliable information. Post working class revolution, the idea would be for them to not have the power to do that.

We can't use a problem caused by the system as an argument against changing the system.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

We couldn’t even get the population to wear masks during a global pandemic killing so many people that hospitals needed to bring in refrigerator trucks to store the bodies.

Meanwhile China managed to for years

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago
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[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure this is the plot of Horizon: Zero Dawn

[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

What a great game!

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately most lefties are active online instead of local politics.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Seems to have worked pretty well for libertarians with Bitcoin. Maybe we need a wildcat strike app.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Nah, not all life. Just the collapse of civilization as we know it.

[–] Leg@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Civilization as we know it probably has to collapse anyway if we wanna see the changes that would help everyone.

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[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

2040 baby! (MIT said so)

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

That but with C++

[–] antidote101@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I predict a world where it's too hot for most to work, air-conditioning becoming mandatory everywhere, a slowing of development in terms of properties being built. The search for automation as a response. Cooling suits being widely used. The majority of the world's crops failing. Food stipends being delivered on specialised trucks to each home... Perhaps by a division of the military... People dying on mass in the third world and quietly in their rooms in the first. Rolling black outs become waves of death. Experts dying on the job trying to fix them. Skinny bodies fighting for life, or fighting each other for food. Death squads who think killing is the answer. A daily announcement of what percentage of the country is on fire... But we'll probably mostly be dying of thirst by then. Maybe it won't be so bad.

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