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With all the talk about privacy, people seem to be forgetting that censorship is also a major problem for today's internet. (lemmy.world)
submitted 7 months ago by renzev@lemmy.world to c/memes@lemmy.world
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Many "alternative" search engines are better for privacy, but they are still vulnerable to censorship, because they rely on g**gle and m*crosoft's indices for their search results. This isn't a deep-hidden secret either, many of them disclose what search index they use on the "about" page, for example:

There are still search engines that (claim to) maintain their own index. Most surprisingly, br*ve:

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[-] FractalsInfinite@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

If people want to find alternative search engines check out this actively maintained list

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I don't trust brave, especially given who the owner is

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

Censoring names in a post about censoring is hilarious irony.

[-] andrewth09@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

When I search using DuckDuckGo, I am searching using B*ng? 🤮

[-] Mojeek@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago

Bin-go: https://www.searchenginemap.com/ same with many others

[-] NewDay@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Unfortunately, this map isn't accurate anymore. For example it says that Startpage only uses Google search results but that's outdated. Now Startpage uses Bing and Google search results. https://www.startpage.com/privacy-please/startpage-articles/enhanced-search-results-on-startpage 'In working with Microsoft, Startpage is now incorporating Microsoft Bing search results and ads within some results pages, using a custom-built private search solution. Google search results will continue to broadly be used, but incorporating additional high-quality sources will have ongoing returns for our users'

[-] angrymouse@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Yeah, its like a Bing without providing any information besides your search

[-] markon@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

I'm finding Copilot better than any search and better than buying by itself and world's better than Google search, but it's totally not private... So anything you seem sensitive or private you just can't use it for

[-] Doug7070@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

LLM powered search is so great, if it can't find the information you're looking for it will just make up random bullshit for you! And all it costs is Microsoft looming over your shoulder to datamine and sell everything you ever do!

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

I had a high school friend shill me brave because he worked there. Was genuinely into all the tech bro stuff and gold. So much gold. I used it for maybe 2 weeks before I got tired of the crypto. I should thank him though, that pushed me into FOSSland.

[-] sturlabragason@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

These days crypto is opt in, and you can disable the Brave rewards button if you like:

https://community.brave.com/t/completely-disable-crypto-wallet-and-brave-rewards-features/214563

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Thats nice to know. Their CEO is a massive right-wing dickhead. So it doesnt matter whats optional its not worth it to use in the end.

[-] PatMustard@feddit.uk -1 points 7 months ago

You shouldn't base your browser usage on whether or not the boss is a bigot. How many CEOs of big tech companies do you think are lovely people? There are plenty of real reasons not to use Brave, the founder being a knob is just the icing on the cake.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

No, you absolutely should. Don't use products that enrich pieces of shit. Thats how we got here in the first place by giving the sociopaths the money.

[-] PatMustard@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago

I hope you thoroughly review the board of executives of every company that provides every product you use

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Way ahead of you, pal. Its public information even! Just look up the company name and type "board of executives". If it is indeed incorporated, it will be public. LLCs are the true tricksters.

[-] PatMustard@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago

Buying food must be exhausting. We know Nestlé is bad, but how do you manage to check the parent company of every single food item and go through all the execs' behaviours to know if they meet your moral standards?

[-] Caboose12000@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

whats the backword R logo?

[-] menny@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Yandex

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Why is that their logo? There's no R in Yandex.

[-] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago

Яндекс

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Thanks!

[-] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Let me break this down:

Я: “Ya” sound

н: “N” sound

д: “D” sound

е: “Eh” sound

к: “K” sound

с: “S” sound, or “C” sound as in “citrus”

Other fun facts:

  1. There aren’t usually separate letters for capitals and lower case, only being written either full or half size.
  2. Cyrillic isn’t hugely or vastly different from Greek. The л (L) is often written like lambda (Λ), and п (P) is very much like pi (Π). Other similar letters include Д (Delta), Р (Rho), Ф (Phi) and Г (Gamma), in no particular order.
  3. Водка (Vodka, almost trivial) literally means “heavy water”. Water is «Вода». Possibly the most important word in all of the Motherland.
  4. Like virtually all major Eastern languages (and most languages in general), Cyrillic is pretty phonetically consistent. Letters basically never make multiple sounds, unless accents and such are used.
  5. ВORДТ (The show), which doesn’t even fit in English OR Russian, is transliterated to “VORDT”, which I find kinda funny.

I don’t actually know Russian, or any Cyrillic language. You’re welcome. Bonus dog for engagement.

[-] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I use Kagi, and while it does use google index, it also uses many other indexes and its own index. I wonder how this impacts censorship.

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.html

Edit : Not much detail here but they do comment on it here :

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-quality.html

Avoiding Censorship and Bias

We do our best to avoid censorship and bias. Some results from traditional sources will reflect biases, but they’ll be balanced by results from other sources. Also, we have built product features to help with bias reduction. For example, our "World News" Lens includes articles from respectable media outlets across the globe.

One of the signals that does influence our ranking is the presence of ads or trackers. We penalize bloated sites regardless of their agendas.

[-] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago

I like the idea, but I can't justify $10 a month. Downvote me or whatever, but I'm broke and need to cut as many subscriptions as possible.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago

make it $1 per month and i'm game, i'm not paying more for a search engine than i do for email holy shit

[-] jodanlime@midwest.social 1 points 7 months ago

No, I'm with you. $120 a year is too steep for searching for me. I like what they are trying to do but I don't think the average person will spend that much.

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