Start telling people now, over on reddit. BEFORE they start cracking down. That way, everyone will know, and the growth will happen even more rapidly.
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I straight up don't understand the appeal of a bigger userbase here. More users isn't inherently better, and will definitely introduce more issues and problem users that will tax our still developing and somewhat fragile platform. Wanting that "instantly" is just asking for the collapse of Lemmy, imo.
Lemmy's biggest weakness right now is a slow drip feed of content. After blocking all of the sports communities and instances in languages I don't speak, I'm left with the following:
- News
- A bunch of meme communities that might as well be interchangeable with one another
- Memes about a TV show I don't watch
- Newspaper comics
- Animal pictures
- Way too much vanilla porn
None of this is bad content per say, but it doesn't capture what I loved about reddit before they ruined it. Reddit was a place where even the most niche of niche topics had a space that you could check in on every day. Obscure anime, unusual collections, diy showcases, you name it. Cultivating a culture that produces produces such specific groups requires enough people to form them. In a group of 100 random people, the number of them who are into Ginga Nagareboshi Gin (look it up) is going to be quite low, but that number increases the more people you include in the sample size and sooner or later you have a subreddit for Ginga fans. That was why Reddit was special to me, and that is what's keeping Lemmy from reaching that high for me.
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It will help more niche communities grow. I left reddit, generally don't miss it. I also give zero shits about tech, programming and Linux. I am a sports fan though, big NBA fan. There's just zero conversation on those instances. I would like to see the user base grow so I can engage some conversations about those interests. I sure as shit ain't going outside and making friends lol
Big this.
I am still interested in the mentioned tech, programming ad linux communities but the biggest issue is definitely smaller communities lacking in numbers. But I see more and more users and conversations on here over time. It has definitely increased since I joined. Hopefully we'll see the smaller communities grow as well.
I am with you. I don't care about what the loonix lunatics and privacy criminals preach (I already use uwunutu btw), I just wanna see interaction in the regular normal people communities without the reddit garbage. We need more people in here for that.
There's really zero guarantee that any number of additional users will improve your communities. What would work better is seeding discussions yourself. Is it going to be as robust and abundant as Reddit? No. But the platform is also much newer. All of those subs grew over time because people put in the effort to participate even when the was "zero conversation". You might be taking to yourself for a while, but setting the stage will be much better for the growth you want to see rather than aiming to fill it with random users you just hope make it better and not worse.
Bro, I've tried. Mods do a good job on the instances putting up content. But I'm hoping to get my news from those instances. Outside of that I get my news from podcasts. Not really sharable content for this platform. I've had like 3 replies from about 20 comments and it's rare for a post to reach double digit up votes. I'll for sure water plants but I'm kind of over planting seeds. I mod a couple nsfw communities so I'm doing my part.
More users = more lifetime, for the platform. At the current level, I estimate that this platform will last about two years. Maybe three. Less, if some kind of significant problem occurs.
You're right that the instant part could be dangerous. That could be the significant problem I just mentioned. But otherwise, Lemmy needs more users, desperately. All internet things have to grow or die. You can wish that wasn't a fact, but it will remain a fact.
"Grow or die". What a bunch of corporate bs. And throwing out made up "lifetimes" doesn't lend you the legitimacy you think it does.
Lemmy doesn't "desperately need" more users. What it needs is less of this nonsense.
I'm sorry, but I'm simply correct about this. If you come in here in about a year's time, and there haven't been any new posts in three weeks, you WILL leave the platform, too.
You won't intend to. You won't do it out of spite. You'll just keep checking for new posts, less and less frequently, until you eventually give up.
Growth is THE ONLY WAY to prevent that situation. Does that mean Lemmy has to "go corporate" and start monetizing everything? No. Does that mean Lemmy has to become as huge as Reddit? No. I don't want that. I don't want this place to become so big that it inevitably repeats all the mistakes that Reddit made, over the years.
But the Lemmy/Fediverse platform absolutely does have to grow larger than this, in order to become a permanent, secure thing.
Feel free to explain why that "will" happen without infinite growth.
I just did. Allow me to repeat it:
If you come in here in about a year’s time, and there haven’t been any new posts in three weeks, you WILL leave the platform, too.
You won’t intend to. You won’t do it out of spite. You’ll just keep checking for new posts, less and less frequently, until you eventually give up.
Growth is THE ONLY WAY to prevent that situation.
THESE ARE FACTS. THEY ARE NOT OPTIONAL.
EDIT: Also, I specifically said that the growth didn't need to be infinite. But yeah, you go ahead and claim that I said that. Go ahead and just blatantly lie about what I said. Great intellectual honesty, right there.
So your explanation on why it will happen is that it will happen? You understand how nonsensical that is, right? YELLING that it's a "fact" doesn't make it so.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS???
IF. YOU. COME. TO. THIS. PLATFORM. AND. THERE. HAVEN'T. BEEN. ANY. POSTS. FOR. WEEKS.
YOU. WILL. LEAVE.
That is a fact. if you deny it, you are simply insane. We do not currently have enough people to avoid a situation where there can suddenly be days/weeks of time with no new posts, and certainly no good ones.
If that happens, the community will die. It's like I'm saying "if you let go of a bowling ball in Earth's gravity, it will hit the floor," and you're like "BUT PROVE IT! HOW DO YOU KNOOOOOW THAT'LL HAPPEN????"
It's bloody goddamned obvious. This community is BEYOND TEENY TINY SMALL, right now. This SubLemmy has 1.8 thousand people active per day. That's 75 per hour. You can fit that many people into a mid-sized bus. IT'S NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GUARANTEE CONTINUED EXISTENCE.
Scream all you want, you'll never make me incorrect about this.
Yeah, I'm the one screaming. Ok, bud.
Fyi, repeating the same made up scenario isn't an explanation, nor does it remotely approach "fact". You keep pulling bs figures like "2-3 years" and "20-100 times more users" with zero elaboration, then freak out when the hollowness of your statements is pointed out. News flash: "facts" have corroborating evidence and backing that can be shown to others. What you have done so far has none of that except your repeated insistence that you are right because you said you are.
You think you're winning the argument, because you are denying such basic facts that it's essentially impossible for me to prove them.
If this community had, say, 10,000 people active per day, I would not feel the frustration that I'm feeling. But I just can't believe you're truly being intellectually honest.
Please try to be honest with me, and try to give me an explanation for your own belief: without any growth to replace users who leave, do you REALLY believe that 1.8 thousand people per day will not ebb away to 1,500 in six months, 1,100 in a year, 800 a while after that, etc?
You think people here are made of some kind of different stuff than regular people? We've lucked into a group of hyper-loyal, saintly humans, who will 100 percent commit to a community forever, regardless of whether it provides them with the experience they expected?
Why should we expect that? Why am I being such an asshole, for simply assuming that we've got normal humans, here?
Replacing users who leave isn't growth though, it's sustenance. With the current user count there are posts much more frequently than one every 3 weeks, and I don't see how that would change from lack of growth (not shrinking)
You're just being obstinate, like several other people in this thread. I'm saying that there aren't currently enough users to weather any kind of big problem, like an extended server outage, or anything like that.
It's like if you're supporting a family of four, and you consistently run all the way out of money, every month, with somewhere between twenty bucks and negative three dollars left in your bank account. And your spouse says to you "hey, we're in major trouble, here. We need to start growing some savings, or else we're eventually going to run into medical expenses or repair bills that will completely destroy us." Annnnd you would apparently respond with something like "SHUT UP, DUMBASS. WE HAVE EXACTLY AS MUCH MONEY AS WE NEED, EVERY MONTH."
I don't pretend to know any kind of exact number, in terms of how many average daily users this platform needs, in order to be safe from future erosion. But it's more than a couple thousand. I think that's safe to say. Mid-sized Reddit communities have about 40,000 concurrent users, at any given time.
I just don't think I'm being as unreasonable as you think I'm being, when I say the Fediverse/Lemmy needs to get at least somewhat bigger.
Lemmy was already 3 years old when the API fiasco started. It didn't need the users merely to survive.
But in the context of the meme, more users means more content which Is a good thing.
But in the context of the meme, more users means more content which Is a good thing.
That's all I meant.
I estimate that this platform will last about two years.
Based on what? I too can pull a number out of my arse and estimate the platform will last exactly 18,345 years from today, that doesn't actually mean anything.
To me it looks like they think of the Internet like corporations do and needing growth to justify investment. I think that's fair reasoning for sites that are profit driven but Lemmy isn't.
Most communities on Reddit barely have any content. While Lemmy will never have the user base of Reddit, some more engagement would be great.
Content here sucks ass. It's 95% bitching about politics.
The great thing about Lemmy is there's no singular "here". Make a community free from politics if you want one, or, if you're able/willing, make a whole-ass instance. The makeup of Lemmy is pretty much 100% democratic, based on the content of those willing to put in the effort. If someone is unhappy with that makeup, it's up to them to change it.
Also, it's worth noting that Lemmy is certainly not a curated garden of content. If there's stuff you don't want to see any more, it's up to you to remove it from your feed. That is the intended user experience here.
None of that has to do with the front page on every instance and the lack of content. Remove politics and you have nothing. You hit non stop porn after a while and removing politics well just make it a porn feed.
I mean, I can tell you that's simply not true. There's plenty of content that's not porn or politics. Those two make up the bulk, sure, but block all of it that you don't want to see and other content is clearly there.
Did I say all? No I said 95%. Is that exact? Of fucking course not.
Yes, I heard you the first time.
Then you shouldn't have said that I was incorrect 🤷♂️
See that made me think you misunderstood. You see how we got here?
You realize that would literally cause a hug of death?
What part of "brace yourselves" are some of y'all not getting?
I am literally acknowledging that it's not an unalloyed benefit that's on the horizon, here.
But I also am not in control of what Reddit is about to do.
(edit: but just like with Winter/war coming, in GoT, you can also benefit from a crazy-ass situation)
Why should I use Lemmy or https://reddit.com for consuming pornography rather than https://danbooru.donmai.us/ or https://gelbooru.com/ or https://e-hentai.org/ or https://realbooru.com/ or even https://pixiv.net or https://www.deviantart.com/ or https://pornhub.com
The differences I see between link aggregator websites and those websites are that link aggregators have worse discoverability (it's useful to have tags to search for and a hyperlink to the original source of a piece of content) and comment threading (and comments on pornography are basically useless to me). I don't see how directing people looking for pornography to a link aggregator website rather than a website dedicated to providing it will be helpful to me.
helpful to me
And here we have a problem. You're doing a very good job of describing what YOU want. You want pornography. The kind you can find on danbooru.
Are you a random girl who wants to post her tits and/or vag on /r/gonewild? Or are you a guy who wants to post his dong? Do they even allow random users to post their nudes on danbooru? Maybe they do, but not at all in the same format as /r/gonewild.
I'm asserting that Reddit will shortly ban and/or heavily restrict explicit user content, over on their platform, as an indirect consequence of becoming a public company. Nobody has control of that, other than the Reddit board, corporate officers, and shareholders. I'm using the "brace yourselves" meme to indicate that this will kick off a flood of users, fleeing to the Fediverse/Lemmy, because we are a direct replacement for Reddit.
If you haven't noticed that, I can only say that I am confused. That's what the platform was made to be. It works exactly like Reddit, but with several logical improvements (you can edit post titles after you've made a post, embedding images in replies is somewhat easier, the system isn't owned by a single monolithic authority that can destroy communities on a whim, etc).
On the one hand, I am suggesting that the influx of new users can be a positive thing, to ensure the healthy growth of this platform. On the other hand, I am literally saying "brace yourselves," because the wave of crazy shit is coming.
But I'm seeing several people responding like you, with this confusing attitude of "UHH, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I NECESSARILY WANT." Well, yeah, that's part of why I said "BRACE YOURSELVES." Ned Stark was saying "Winter is coming" as an ominous portent, not an advertisement.
I mean, I actually happen to enjoy anonymous tits and pussy, but you do you.
I think coomers would sooner go to twitter for their porn before here
Why though? Twitter is almost completely inaccessible outside of login and nitter was shut down, it's horrendous for nsfw engagement now
You'd have better luck thirstposting on insta or tiktok
Exactly. Also, good luck searching, bookmarking, filtering, sorting posts, organizing actual communities, etc. The whole methodology of the platform basically disallows all those things.
Lemmy is a replacement for Reddit. That's straight-up what it is. That's why we're here. Even if TwiX hadn't become evil and insane, because of its insane master, it still wouldn't be any kind of replacement for Reddit. Especially the NSFW Reddit communities.
also corposhit is increasingly not useful for literally anything
Of course, according to some of the people in this thread, I'm a corpo-apologist, because I think the Lemmy/Fediverse has to grow beyond a level of about 2k users per day, per community, or else it will eventually die.
Face fucking palm.
or else it will eventually die.
how so?
BECAUSE 2K USERS PER SUB-VERSE, PER DAY IS NOT EVEN ENOUGH TO BE SAFE FROM THE ATTRITION OF NATURAL DEATH RATES, AMONG THE USERS.
Some of you guys really do not have even a smidgen of understanding, about how small the Lemmy/Fediverse platform is. More people probably get banned from Txitter/X every hour than the total number of users, in the whole history of this platform.
It's not sustainable. It has to grow some more, or else it will die. You're just being obstinate. It's like if you have 12 dollars in your bank account, and your family is like "we're going to starve, at this rate," and you'd be like "HOW SO? WE HAVE 12 DOLLARS, DUMBASS."
Well, if someone breaks their leg in a freak accident, BOOM, there goes your entire future.
Now, plenty of people are broke without it being their fault. And I'm not saying it's anyone's fault that the Fediverse/Lemmy is currently too small to guarantee its survival....but that's the fact. It's too small to be safe. It's INCREDIBLE that I am having to patiently explain this obvious shit to so many angry people.
EDIT: to be fair, I actually have every confidence that the Fediverse/Lemmy WILL show an increase in growth, and will probably survive, at least for several upcoming years. But some of y'all are like "NUUUUU, I THINK IT SHOULD STAY SMALL, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT." Nah, man. It can't stay this small. It's not sustainable for it to stay this small.
What? You're saying we need to grow faster because at.under 2k users a day we'll die of old age to fast?
If old age was the only thing people ever died of, you really would have zinged me, there.
But alas, sweet summer child, none of us are guaranteed perfect health and good conditions, until we're 100. And, as I've been trying to make clear, dying is just the most extreme reason that someone might stop frequenting a platform.
If the 9.5 per 1000 annual death rate is enough to make any impact on the population of these communities, what about other stuff? What if there are some days when the servers don't work right, and some people just drift away because of that? What if another competing platform shows up and splits the community?
Again: a rough average of 2k per community is simply too small. It's not enough to be safe, for the future. Remember that 20 or 30 thousand concurrent users is just barely sniffing the upper levels of what is considered a small subreddit, back over on Reddit.
It's just ASTONISHING to me that I'm having to make this basic point, over and over and over and over again. Two thousand people can almost be crammed into a couple of bigass airplanes. WHY CAN'T YOU JUST SAY "yeah, I guess we could use a few more people."
Why is that so fucking hard for some of you fuckers? I'm about to lose my shit, with this fucking conversation.
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