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I've always been partial to this one
I miss the IT Crowd.
I have a weird relationship with The IT Crowd. I haven't watched a lot of it, and didn't really enjoy it when I watched it, hence why I stopped.
...but having watched it, I find myself really enjoying when people made references to it. Like it was more enjoyable referentially than it was to actually watch.
Sorry, are we on the same platform? All I see from the communists are cringe memes and even cringier “debates” that would get them laughed out of a middle school debate club.
Are you talking about people who critique capitalism and its bandaids from the left, or people who chose a collection of countries with red flags to simp for?
Every debate i have with people on lemmy eventually ends in them resorting to 4th grade insults towards me or just straight up throwing hissy fits.
Lemmy is full of children who think anarchy is really good and has no flaws but they cannot explain how societal flaws would be fixed by it. Anarchy is just an example.
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Edit: i saw a post another day on an .ml instance just like this I think calling libertarianism bad because it was never tried out in practice meanwhile I feel the need to say this conumimisim has been tried out tons of times and has failed miserably
Good examples of this is pol pots and his Khmer rouge and the failure of his regime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge?wprov=sfla1
Stalin and leninism with the failure of the ussr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism?wprov=sfla1
I don't believe in libertarianism although i do think some of its ideas can be used in practice to good success but this is my personal opinion . But I think it's a bit hypocritical to call one political system bad while believing in one which has failed miserably time and time again
Communism is a trap for the simple minded idealists who are disillusioned with capitalism. In theory, it could be a utopia. However, it takes a few basic assumptions in order to work. The biggest one is that everyone participating in the system truly believes in it and no one tries to take advantage of it for personal gain. But it's far too easy for someone or a small group of people to seize power and then keep everyone else powerless to do anything about it. This has been the cause of the failure of all communist governments that I'm aware of.
On a smaller scale, communism works extremely well though. For example, in gaming guilds. Sharing resources, allowing everyone to specialize where they want without suffering from diversifying their skills or dumping play time into other areas can help everyone to advance more quickly. I put this into practice in ff14 with great success. Raid tiers release every 6 months when they also release new crafted gear which is the best for raid progression, but requires some new ingredients which are time locked but tradeable. So our raiders would contribute their ingredients to crafters and they would provide them with gear, and food. The arrangement required the raiders to continue contributing ingredients for 3 months which were evenly distributed among crafters, and they would then make items and profit from them. They would return 10% of profit (not revenue) to the guild bank which funded all kinds of things. Everyone got what they wanted.
How would one take advantage of Communism for personal gain in a way that goes against Communism? Have you legitimately thought beyond pure vibes in your head?
How does one "easily seize power" in a democratically controlled system, moreso than a top-down oriented one like Capitalism?
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While I disagree with alot of this I think this is a very good nuanced take good on you. You bring some strong arguments.
Prehaps its just me but In my personal opinioni wouldn't find people trustworthy with my money and resources especially in a gaming guild. I'm sure there have been many good gaming guilds although I'm sure there's alot of people out there to just take advantage
I do not get the communist comment as Lemmy really is about everything.
I feel the OP. Communists are more active around the fedi I think. Nothing wrong about it. It's just a fact. Everyone should be heard in my opinion. Even thought the majority is still stuck in an ideology with almost 200 years that failed miserably every time it was implemented. Socialism is a bit more evolved. A mix of capitalism and socialism seems to be the sweet spot. My 2cents.
edit: typo
Couple things here: Communism is Socialism, a form of it. Communism has never been "implemented" either, as it's specifically a post-Socialist stage. The ML states you're referring to were Socialist, and didn't reach Communism.
Secondly, the ML states were ML states, and as such were deliberately adapting new theory proposed by Lenin and distilled by Stalin.
I'm in no way a Stalinist, or a simp for the USSR, your comment is just wrong.
By your very same logical chain, Capitalism is an ideology 400 years old that failed miserably every time, as well as Socialism. It's meaningless word salad.
what are ML states ?
Marxist-Leninist. To simplify, Marx wrote some stuff, Lenin expanded on it and threw a revolution, shortly after which he fucking died. Stalin wrote a couple more sentences then distilled the ideology of Marxism-Leninism. That's why you have non-Marxist-Leninist Marxists/Leninists like the ICP, as word-salady as that sounds.
The essential factor is the belief in the use of a Vanguard Party to carry out a revolution and build up a Socialist state to whither into Communism.