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[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 121 points 8 months ago

I doubt the US is trying to overthrow Netanyahu, but if they were, I'm glad of it.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 92 points 8 months ago (5 children)

He definitely shouldn't be in charge of anything...he's dehumanizing humans...like a country and leader did in the 1930's.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 38 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Western leaders didn't mind that guy in the 1930s for a good while until his dehumanizing got too carried away. After financing him, supporting him and allowing him to gain power for a good while, it then began to get too difficult to get him out of power .... then things got carried away .... and you know the rest.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Don't forget IBM building the systems to efficiently catalog and murder the jews in the holocaust, and pretty much every non-jewish-owned corporation being perfectly happy empowering fascism for profit — no different to today, with most major corporations still "donating" to R's and every other fascist or dictator globally.

Turns out capitalism doesn't give two shits about freedom or democracy and only worships the almighty dollar...

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Seems like no one cared so much about the dehumanizing (a lot of which was hidden and not fully discovered until later) and instead it was more about stopping his massive land grab.

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[–] livus@kbin.social 62 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Just a distraction.

I mean the easiest way of overthrowing Netanyahu would be for the US to stop giving Israel money while he's in power. He'd be gone by lunchtime.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

If the US sanctioned Israel, the very next day the Gaza massacre woull stop and Bibi would out, and within a week probably in jail, not only because Israel's oldest ally turning against them like that would be the stronguest possible message that they fucked-up, but also but because losing support from the US would be seen as an existential threat for Israel.

The talkie-talkie from the US Administration that's as far as the US goes at the moment (accompanied by the very oppsite of the words in actions such as military and diplomatic support) is rightly seen as hot air produced merelly for Biden's political convenience.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

He'd be gone by lunchtime.

Why?

There's this narrative that Israel is completely dependent on US aid and would be powerless without it, but I don't think that's obviously true. What military is going to meaningfully threaten them? Jordan has no interest in another giant wave of Palestinian migrants (given that the last one led to a coup attempt), nor does it have a significant military. Lebanon hardly has a genuine government. Syria is a mess. Egypt does have some legitimate power, but also has no interest in a massive war right next to them.

The only regional power capable of meaningfully threatening Israel is Iran, and Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Sunni coalition do not want massive expansion of Iranian influence.

Not to mention, Israel has already defeated all of its neighbors, simultaneously, twice. I'm fairly confident that the only thing that would actually happen if the US stopped sending aid is a bit of a dent in the Israeli economy.

[–] livus@kbin.social 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

My point is that I think the Israeli political establishment would rather give up Netanyahu than give up billions of dollars worth of funding and weapons from the US.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Yeah, I think you're right. Netanyahu is still currently on trial for corruption, he's struggled to form a governing coalition, and even though he wanted to turn 10/7 into a moment of national unity, most Israeli's blame him for the attack. He really is not popular domestically, and losing the support of Israel's largest international partner would probably be the final nail in his coffin. I think this narrative of the U.S., "overthrowing," Netanyahu is his government's attempt to spin mild U.S. criticism into foreign election interference.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 55 points 8 months ago

Just... stop supporting Israel? That's it. Please. If the genocide stops and Netanyahu goes down for it, we are on a less dark timeline.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 50 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Oh, wow, Israeli Fascists spreading ever more unbelievable fables of them being the true victims.

I did NAZI that coming.

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[–] Diotima@kbin.social 50 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Israel is not a protectorate of the US but an independent and democratic country whose citizens are the ones who choose the government

Okay cool, can we stop supplying weapons and Intel now?

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[–] tourist@lemmy.world 49 points 8 months ago

Surprised they didn't accuse random US politicians of secretly being hamas

not their usual strategy

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 47 points 8 months ago

They're doing a terrible fucking job.

Take a step back, breathe, and imagine he's a Communist. You got this.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 44 points 8 months ago
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

senior Israeli official says

Hmm

[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago

Bibi taking the hasbara into his own hands

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 27 points 8 months ago
[–] mlg@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

On one hand the USA does this all the time (cough Imran Khan cough)

On the other hand, they like having Israel, just none of the accusations of genocide that might ruin poor Biden's election campaign

Knowing what happened to USS Liberty, I seriously doubt they're trying to overthrow Netanyahu. Probably trying to bribe him or other members to cool off so the news goes away for a bit.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 6 points 8 months ago

On one hand the USA does this all the time (cough Imran Khan cough)

Mainly to leftist governments though, and Bibi's a right-wing extremist. He's the sort of person the US usually installs, which is why there's no way in hell they'd try to overthrow him

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well they aren't exactly being an allied nation right now. So other than giving them to the wolves, if the Israeli people want the US as an Allie, they need to decide between peace and genocide.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Sorry but the US isn't exactly the pacifist and/or peacekeeping nation, you think they are. Not to mention that they are trying to spy on their own allies, tap their phones, install backdoors in network equipment, persecute whistle blowers, etc., meddle with other countries internal affairs, trying to stifle the competition of other countries economics and what not. And now supporting full blown genocide and sending arms to Israel. And believe me a lot of people in the US were very happy when the UK left the EU.

So they are just a tad better than Russia in my books and I wonder what the world would be like without countries like the US, Russia, China.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 22 points 8 months ago

This would be less believable if we didn't do it so goddamn often.

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I actually wish this was true.

[–] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 6 points 8 months ago

The next major candidate isn't any better

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ok how does that stop far-right Zionists? Will there be a crackdown on fascists? No? They'll come back into power soon because Israel is a racist colonial ethnostate.

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[–] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 20 points 8 months ago

All it'd take is an election in Israel.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Been hearing this shit for 5 months.

5 months ago I never thought Biden would be so much of a dog to let Netanyahu order Biden around for half a year to support committing blatant Genocide, and covering for him with UN vetoes.

They have Biden on a leash.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Uhh, that assumes Biden is against the genocide.

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah, the reverse is more likely. Bibi has Biden on such a leash that he'll give them anything they want.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 18 points 8 months ago
[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 17 points 8 months ago

"The West" should just go with the ol shitty parent threat: "I brought you into this world and I can take you out of it!" Lol

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Then they're doing a shit job of it compared to the usual.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 13 points 8 months ago

Fascists make up whatever bullshit they want.

[–] somename@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

I feel like this is just fascist propaganda to further entrench Netanyahu's position. The idea of Brandon taking a move like this against Israel seems iffy.

[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago

What a surprise did the puppet lose its benefits already? Or is it not doing what they want?

[–] DarkMessiah@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Honestly, more people should be.

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wait, what. I thought Biden was riding that "kill all Palestinians" train all the way to his grave. Or is the feud about Netanyahu not being aggressive and murderous enough to wrap this up before October?

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[–] OozingPositron 8 points 8 months ago
[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

Not my problem

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

The US saying "No no, too much genocide"?? What a fucking crock of shit.

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