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[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 111 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Steve never did plant his garden, instead he put it off feeling like too much if an amateur to even begin buying seeds, and instead invasive creeping Charlie and thistles colonized his decaying garden beds.

I know those guys are trying to be helpful, but to a newb they can feel like you’re not ready to even start your hobby, when the best way to start any hobby is to go and get something started, even if it isn’t perfect.

If you go to a local seed store they’ll probably be able to point you to native wildflowers, or there are lots of sellers online for seeds.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 21 points 8 months ago

The local plant centers are wonderful sources of knowledge. Bring them some pictures and there will be some nerd there ready to geek out. This is community building. :)

[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Eh, maybe, but native plants tend to be a way better option for new gardeners because they grow so much better. My mom and I tore out all the grass in our front yard and put in native plants and they're the first plants I didn't manage to immediately kill. If I'd tried roses, they probably would've died and I'd have given up. Instead, I have catmint thriving maybe a little too much and it's full of bees!

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's not what the first 2 guys said though, they just criticized his choice of words(even though he's an amateur) and started ranting about colonizers. It's not helpful. Comments like that just push new people away and make the community look unwelcoming.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sounds exactly like Lemmy lol

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Typical Lemmy user: sees something they don't like

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago

You are right, we pulled a ton of invasive weeds and every spring I go to war with the garlic mustard that’s trying to take over my yard.

Native species are coming back and we just planted 3 beds of native flowers last fall, and I’ve got a bunch of native herbs to plant this spring.

A lot of the stuff we’ve planted just takes care of itself with no watering after it’s established which is nice.

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's a mixed bag. Some natives grow easily, as they are naturally adapted to the climate, but some can be tricky little bastards as they are only adapted to very specific conditions that may or may not exist in your home yard (or they would do well once established, but getting to that point is difficult). Introduced species can be easier to grow, because they're overadapted to the climate (that's what makes invasive species so, well, invasive!).

Your example of growing catmint is a bit of luck on your part: mint is often considered a weed for growing so vigorously, so it's a great choice for novice or "brown-thumb" gardeners. These are the types of plants we should be specifically promoting, so new gardeners don't have to rely on luckily stumbling upon easy-to-grow natives.

On that note, might I advertise my namesake plant, "fireweed" (Chamaenerion angustifolium)? Beautiful flowers, easy to establish, self-sufficient once established (it's called fireweed for a reason!), and beloved by bees. Native to much of Canada and the United States (and maybe northern Europe/Asia?). https://www.fs.usda.gov/wildflowers/plant-of-the-week/chamerion_angustifolium.shtml

[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We actually have a non-profit where I live that grows and then puts together sets of native plants that will cover a certain amount of space and all grow in the same light/shade. We used their boxes, so less luck with the mint and more that we sought out plants like that. We also have some tall grasses, coneflowers, penstemon, about one million ice plants, and some others I can't remember.

I don't know if other states have similar orgs, but it's a really great way to make native/pollinator-friendly gardens accessible to novices. All I had to do was plant them and weed them.

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

That's a great resource! I know some places put together "native wildflower seed packs," but I've heard mixed reviews. Some plants in the pack inevitably outcompete others (leaving you with minimal variety), and I've seen packs that contain species that aren't actually native to the region. Your group's version sounds like more work on their part, but likely with better end results.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I know those guys are trying to be helpful, but to a newb they can feel like you’re not ready to even start your hobby

Don't let other people hold you back.

If you're trying to start a new hobby and you get put off by people giving you information because you think they're being condescending, learn to put aside the personal feelings so you can focus on the thing you wanted to focus on.

New information is useful regardless of how it was presented to you. You can't control how other people act, but you can control how you react to it. Learn to take the good and leave the bad.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There's such a thing as too much information, and it's not always relevant to a beginner.

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[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You're absolutely right and I would've commented something similar. What held me back is that we're in ScienceMemes, not HobbyMemes, so we're seeing advice that's more scientifically-based rather than hobby-based or even human-based.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 months ago

If people giving you actionable advice without putting you down makes you feel intimidated, I would think about that.

Mucking about at a hobby without knowing the first thing about it is idiotic. This person is only sharing their intent to start a garden because they are implicitly looking for feedback.

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 78 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Can I just say that is awful advice. There's an easy way to save it:

"Tell me where you are and I'll give you a few good options to start with"

When the poster is clearly a hopeless beginner this kind of response is useless and overwhelming in information that they have no chance of understanding.

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wrong. The first step in gardening advice is to call someone a kkkracker

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[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah the muscle man from the meme wouldn't assume where the beanpole lives. He might live in the place whose past governments colonised wherever OP is assuming they all live.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It's amazing that you want to enter this space, and I'd love to help you achieve your goals with every resource I have.

~~As you learn and grow,~~ (Edit: correctly pointed out as sanctimonious)

I hope you'll eventually consider augmenting your goal to include native species, which will bring the added benefit of maximally helping the ecosystems in which you are a part.

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[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 74 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Roses and their cultivation spread from the Mid East into China, Egypt, Greece etc. thousands of years ago, pretty ignorant to blame it all on European colonialism.

[–] SharkMommy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think the main thing to get out of this is to just see what beauty your natural ecosystem has to offer

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

At this point, seeing behavior and responses like this in so many communities of my interests, I feel like even that gentle of an approach is still too much agenda-pushing.

Not that the agenda in question lacks for value, ethics, or good intentions, but at the end of the day, based on the newbies inquiry, it's still some version of, "You're wrong for wanting to explore your interest. You should do what I tell you to do instead."

In the communities for my interests that I participate in, I try (and sometimes fail, we're all human), to explicitly steer clear of doing anything to diminish their enthusiasm, curiosity, and desire to learn. That's the little ember that they need to really get going, so for me, the priority is not to put that out.

Especially in a case like this where, sure, maybe a native garden is ideal...but the alternative if they get overwhelmed or shut down or forcibly redirected by the community is probably just going to be grass and weeds, or no plants at all.

I think it's great to offer up the natives as an alternative (while explaining the benefits to both the local ecosystem as well as to the gardener), but I would also say that if you're going to do that, one should also encourage them to get into their new interest regardless of whether they follow that suggestion or not.

If OP wants to plant tulips, fantastic, and I'll give you any tips I can on how to do that. I may suggest natives and why they're also a great choice, but under no circumstances will I go into negative territory in telling them they shouldn't follow up on their interest, unless of course it's illegal, dangerous, harmful, etc.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And if op explicitly wants roses and tulips good for them. It should be "here's how to start out with those. . If you're curious, there's some pretty cool native plants that do well, and local pollinators love em. I think you'll enjoy them to. Hit me up if you want to chat about selecting native species, I'm pretty into that"

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[–] Bohurt@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

Unfortunately, the Chads used wrong argumentation that gets close to populism.

[–] SpicyAnt@mander.xyz 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)
[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

owww the angle of the shoe, that can't be good!!!

this is obviously AI right? (edit: just to be clear, the alternative is that it's a hand-crafted photoshop)

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[–] THE_ANTIHERO@lemmy.today 8 points 8 months ago

What the fuck is this image encoding ? Also what the fuck is the image ?

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

My brother in botany, this is Lemmy. If you take a hard shit someone will blame it on western imperialism.

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[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 63 points 8 months ago (5 children)

That's not how this meme template works at all.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 46 points 8 months ago

Yes, they should be encouraging him. Not shunning him for his choice

[–] Jackcooper@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

THANK YOU. It's about supportive community not about some dude blogging about flower preferences

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

On Lemmy, it's legitimately hard to tell if this is supposed to be satire.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

It’s not, grow wildflowers not lawns. Your bees and soil will thank you

[–] zaphod@feddit.de 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

But what if roses and tulips are native to their region? Not everyone lives in some former european colony.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

You're from central Asia?

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[–] newtraditionalists@beehaw.org 10 points 8 months ago

Sometimes the internet hurts. This is a time where it is shockingly adorable. Thanks for sharing!

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago

Pro que no los dos

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 4 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Why can't I see your photos?

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[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A plant doesn't have to be native to benefit local ecosystem, parsley isn't native, but there's a local species of butterfly whose caterpillars love it.

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