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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 149 points 8 months ago (22 children)
[–] stoly@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago (9 children)

lol the tankies downvoted you

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 45 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Lemmygrad, lemmy.ml and hexbear in shambles.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh hexbear too? I have noticed a lot of questionable posts coming from there

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yep. Just red through some of the comments on lemmy.ml for this news and compare it to the instance of the accounts. https://fedia.io/m/worldnews@lemmy.ml/t/597721/Sweden-officially-joins-NATO#comments

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

lol reminds me of when it was explained to me that Russia is an Asian country and if I supported Ukraine it meant I was racist against Asians

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

That doesn't make any sense on absolutely every level. lol

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[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 126 points 8 months ago (12 children)

So Poutine wanted to weaken NATO, ends up adding countries, including one that has been neutral for an incredibly long time.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 62 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Sweden has a strong military industry too and Finnland is literally right at Russia's border. Putin is a master strategist.

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Dude really read a history book about Hitler fighting a one front war and somehow turning it into a three front war and said “Hold my beer”

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[–] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Your spellcheck outed you as a Canadian

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 92 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Good. Sweden has very strong military capabilities with their Total Defense strategy. They also have very advanced weapons development and a huge defense industry, including their Gripen fighter jets. NATO got a lot stronger today.

[–] Muscar@discuss.online 73 points 8 months ago (21 children)

As a Swede I often find myself thankful we don't have the military brainwashing the US has, even though we have a strong military for such a small country. The army stuff is there if you look but if you don't care you don't notice it much, if at all. I'm not invested enough to have a really informed opinion about us joining NATO. But from what I know it'll be a good thing, just being able to help countries more that need it is enough of a reason IMO.

[–] KrokanteBamischijf@feddit.nl 28 points 8 months ago (4 children)

NATO was originally founded so that we'd stop invading each other, which should still hold true today.

I like to think of most developed nations as young adults. All of us are supposed to be mature, which means no more war. We can just talk about things like responsible adults.

Sadly, some of these younger fucks still haven't grasped the concept of "don't be an idiot", and we now need NATO for a strong message of "no, you're not going to touch us, there will be consequences". It's a sad thing that we still need to do so, but I'd rather have a large group of friends that I'm sure will have my back if someone would start shit.

So yes, Sweden joining NATO is a good thing. If anything it will lead to better cooperation and coordination between our countries. Not just in the event of war, but just sharing defense resources and intelligence as well. But the best argument is that we just like you Swedes, and we want to keep hanging out together.

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[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

As a Finn, I thought that joining Nato was the last nail in the coffin. After several decades of crawling towards it, we're finally a western civilized country now.

You swedes were there already for historical reasons though, but very nice to have you in the same military alliance.

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[–] GomJabbar@lemmy.myserv.one 73 points 8 months ago (4 children)

NATO just got a little Sweder

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[–] uis@lemm.ee 66 points 8 months ago (125 children)
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[–] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 55 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Putin: If anyone joins NATO there will be dire consequences!

Sweden: Du är inte lika stark som du luktar dumjävel

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

Have to add a funny FU to Putin that I saw. Yesterday, a B 52, and a B1B did a flyover of Stockholm escorted by Swedish Gripens

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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 53 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Not Post WWII, it's Post Napoleon neutrality, the 6th coalition was the last hurrah of Swedish involvement in continental affairs, and thus the beginning of their extended neutrality in such affairs.

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[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 38 points 8 months ago (32 children)

So -- pure curiosity... Which countries could yet still potentially join NATO.

Switzerland doesn't join anything ever, so it's the dark horse. But since everything is done by referendum there, it could change on a dime if the public demanded it.

Austria literally has it in their constitution that they aren't allowed -- but in theory they could change their constitution (unlikely).

Moldova has the whole Transnistria incentive -- but NATO would be shy about that one, because that could potentially immediately put them in hot conflict. However, suppose they backdoored their way in by creating a union with Romania (not impossible, but complicated).

Ireland has been neutral forever -- but the public support for Ukraine is extremely high. So they might even be possible. Higher than Switzerland anyway ;)

Bosnia and Herzegovina is sort of a special case where they're sort of partially engaged already.

Serbia is extremely unlikely while they continue to be extremely contemptuous of everyone. That's fine. Although Kosovo is sort of under NATO protection.

In theory, Georgia or Armenia would be candidates, but Turkey would pooh-pooh Armenia right away, and Georgia has contested territory.

In order of odds, I wager: Ireland, Moldova (via Romania), Georgia+Ukraine (in that order chronologically).

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm interested in Ireland too, especially in the next few years as the reunification party is resurgent

[–] Kentaree@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Ireland has no chance, people here are extremely pro neutrality to the point there were protests when American Airforce jets refueled here. It's not a case of alignment, it's that nobody wants to get involved in any sort of conflict.

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[–] The_Tired_Horizon@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Zapp: What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

[–] cassowary@lemm.ee 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tell my wife I said…hello

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[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Good. Cry some more Russia.

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[–] yildolw@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Welcome Sweden! It's good to have you

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Vikings with axes have joined the conversation...

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 8 months ago

it's amazing the chain of effect that happened when putin got so bold that he got orban to not only side with ukraine but also drop opposition to finland joining nato which caused sweden to join

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