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(Picture alt text: a screenshot of my phone's call log, with numbers redacted (just in case). The phone numbers (except for one) are all spam calls)

I'm not sure if this is the correct place for this, but I am at my limit with these.

Constantly throughout the day I get spam call after spam call. I constantly report them to Google (I've got a Pixel 5, if it matters), yet nothing changes. This has been happening for months.

These calls will also leave the exact same, completely silent, 4-second voicemails. I will block and report spam, but you know how it is. There's no way to turn voice mail notifications off, and I wouldn't necessarily want to, because I know I'd miss something genuine or important.

What do I do? Is there anything I can do, beyond changing numbers? Even then, I'm sure a new number would exist in some database somewhere and be victim to more spam calls. This is heinous.

Thanks for reading. I'm just so frustrated.

Edit: this got a lot more attention than I anticipated. I appreciate the suggestions for different spam blockers and settings! It's also nice knowing I'm not alone. Hopefully, at least in the US, we'll get some real legislation eventually that will kill these spam calls once and for all.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 100 points 9 months ago (5 children)

The issue is lots of countries (including America) let scammers spoof a real life number.

So you get a spam call from a random local number block it because it was spam, but the scammers just use another number and all you've done is block a random number that's owned by an actual individual or will be soon.

It's all based on laws from decades ago and not accounting for modern tech

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[–] PM_ME_SNEKS_IN_HATS@lemmy.world 49 points 9 months ago (7 children)

This is a tactic that worked for me, but your mileage may vary. I used to get dozens of spam calls a day on both my work and personal numbers. I did all the things that you're supposed to do and they just kept coming. I also needed to answer unknown numbers on my work phone so I couldn't just block them.

So after a while, I started answering the calls and calling them back when I got silence. I made sure I could talk to a person/scammer as often as possible. In the beginning I would just ask them if they felt good about themselves trying to scam people out of their money. They would generally just hang up but one guy gave this long speech about how if you were that dumb you didn't deserve that much money and how he was living the American dream (although I did ask him if he was in American at which point he hung up on me). After that, I would just start trying to keep them on the phone as long as possible. My job is such that I can work and talk on the phone at the same time, so I made a word document that had a fake name, birth day, social security number, address, a fake person basically. Then I would put on my "old man" voice and just act stupid to keep them on the phone. I kept one guy on the phone for four hours as I pretended to be too inept to turn on my laptop to give him my IP address. He was quite upset when I told him I knew he was scamming me.

Anyway, I haven't gotten a scam call in like 6 months. I think scammers put me on their do not call list. Maybe worth a shot?

[–] jwelch55@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pretty similar for me, almost disappointed I haven't gotten one in a while. It's funny to waste their time, and get them all worked up lol.

[–] PM_ME_SNEKS_IN_HATS@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Yeah it was kinda fun. I figured ever minute I had them on the phone was a minute they weren't scamming old people with dementia out of their money, so at the very least I was doing something mildly good too.

[–] Marighost@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I do love the idea of wasting their time! I've done it a couple of times, but nothing quite so extensive as what you do. Usually when I call robo call numbers back, I get "this number is disconnected," so I can't even annoy the hell out of them like they do to me. :/

[–] PM_ME_SNEKS_IN_HATS@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Four hour guy I had a lot of clerical work to do at work that day and didn't need to talk on the phone at all so I just kept him going. Would go off on long made up stories related to what he was saying. Told him about my kids and their kids and my deceased wife. They guy told me that my card was used to purchase (among other expensive things) "$3,000 worth of Bitcoin" and I kept being like "what's a bite coin?" and he COULD. NOT. GET. PAST. me calling it bite coin instead of Bitcoin. He would correct me every time. Then I asked what that was and he told me it was a digital currency and I told him about my coin collection for like 8 minutes before he steered me back on topic. I only told him I was wasting his time because I was done with work.

I will say, one guy asked if I lived alone and I told him I do now because my wife of 47 years died two months ago and he said "Ahhh...that's sad..." and hung up on me. So at least that guy wasn't completely evil.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you're not getting calls it's just coincidence. Scammers don't have a unified do not call register.

You're just wasting your time.

[–] KmlSlmk64@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Arguably what he is doing is for good, because he is also wasting their time, not being able to scam actual victims.

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[–] evo@sh.itjust.works 41 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Since you have a Pixel maybe try changing the call screening settings?

[–] Dettweiler42@lemmyonline.com 15 points 9 months ago

I just leave it on maximum. Too many spoofed local numbers. If it's someone important a d they're not in my contacts, they'll either make it through the screener or leave a message.

[–] Marighost@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Silly question, but where in settings is this? I feel like I've had it set up but can't remember.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Open phone app, 3 dots at the top right, settings, call screen

[–] Marighost@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Seems to be on, apparently... Thank you for showing me though!

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[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Greetings, friend. Do you wish to look as happy as me? Well, you've got the power inside you right now. Use it, and send one dollar to Happy Dude, 742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield. Don't delay. Eternal happiness is only a dollar away.

(Sorry for your inconvenience, but this is all I can think of now. 😆)

[–] Marighost@lemm.ee 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You know what? I appreciate this reference. And if I don't laugh, I'll scream. So thanks!

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 24 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Yet Another Call Blocker

I've used it for years now. Very few calls make it through any more.

[–] Hate@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

YACB the GOAT

Blacklist: *

Whitelist Contacts: On

Advanced Call Blocking Mode: On

Absolutely nothing gets through

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[–] eclipse@sh.itjust.works 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Use Carrion from F-Droid and make it your screening app. Numbers that call you have to go through a verification that is mandated in the US & Canada. Numbers that fail this handshake verification will be rejected.

[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Will this effect callers who's numbers I don't have that I need to take? I have business calls all the time where I don't know the number.

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[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (7 children)

I usually get around 1 spam call per day, but sometimes I can get as much as 12 per day. I legitimately wonder why I even have a phone plan at this point and I know I'm not the only one who has considered that.

[–] rem26_art@fedia.io 11 points 9 months ago

There was one time I got spam calls just one after another for a good 15 minutes in a row. Like as soon as I'd reject the call, another one would come in. I ended up just turning off my phone for an hour or so. We're really in a bad state with spam

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[–] rolling_resistance@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If my phone rings, and I see an unknown number, I just decline. I'm at this level of trust.

[–] piskertariot@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Answering my phone is like answering my door.

If I'm not expecting you, I'm not answering.

[–] LifeOfChance@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Anyone important will leave a VM,email, or text to reach back out.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (7 children)

This crap is the only reason I need AI. Unknown call? Take it, AI call screener with infinite patience. Why doesn't this exist?

[–] CRT@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It does, my Pixel has call screening built-in and it works great. I think you can install Google Dialer on some other Android phones and use it

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I don't just want it to screen the calls away. I want it to take the call, listen to them, then use an elderly senile voice to waste their time for hours. And even on Pixel I still have text spam coming through.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is actually a feature on the Pixel 8. It can even hold for you.

Edit: Well, it can screen the call by listening to the audio for a moment. Making it waste their time might be possible... I can get it talk like a cowboy by just prompting it to do so... Maybe I can prompt it to waste telemarketer and scammers time too 🤔

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[–] electricprism@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Soo... One of you please make a soundboard app where at the push of a button I can send these telemarketer full on baby screaming sounds or play my own "response" to their ads.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago

Bad idea... responding to the call marks your number as "active" in their system and they'll spam you with even more calls. I found that out the hard way.

[–] ego@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago

Or better yet, connect them to a voice chat ai that just wastes their time until they hang up. I wonder if something like that exists...

[–] Delusion6903@discuss.online 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A few years ago I felt the same way. I installed the Should I Answer? app and even limited calls to people in my contacts to get it under control.

I'm on a Pixel too. I'm in the USA and, at some point, Google got their act together on screening calls here. Most spam is rejected outright and the remaining ones get screened by the phone itself. I haven't had spam call in a couple of years now! And I don't have to use Should I Answer? anymore.

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[–] viking@infosec.pub 13 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Save all known callers to your address book. Set "block calls from unknown numbers" in the android caller settings. Done.

[–] Shelbyeileen@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

This is hard if you have to see doctors. They like to call from different variations of their numbers.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Totally anecdotal but if you have the number connected with social media like Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat, etc if you delete your account or maybe even switch out to a different phone number, you will get less to no spam calls. I deleted my social media and after that I don't receive any calls. I only get calls that I'm supposed to get now.

Also, my phone number registered with bank and dmv is different so this might also be a contributing factor.

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[–] Marighost@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

A screenshot of my phone's voicemail box. All of them are spam calls that leave 4-second voicemails.

Here's the voicemail log that I mentioned. It's just insane.

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[–] node815@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I have a policy - only those who should know my phone number is family and they are very strict about asking me before giving to anyone who asks. So, it's usually not given. Then for businesses and other places which require a phone number, I use a Google Voice number. From doctors, to banks, or other places. I rarely get the scam calls.

HOWEVER

I get around 6-15 SPAM text messages daily. All 100% Political for Trump, Biden, Harris, or whatever scammer tries to get me to support on my non-shared number. A lot try to guilt you into "donating" to them too! I feel bad because while I won't fall for it, I know many people already do. I have to use Google Messages to effectively block those automatically.

I have AT & T and complained to them about it to be told that I could change my number, but it would be $40.00 to do so. That's a big scam in itself and I refused.

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[–] Tantheiel@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Could try my tactic

Change your phone number and give it to people only. Never businesses unless it's a trades service. Best buy and the lot get a dummy number. Good luck selling my information

Also online services get the dummy number.

Zero spam calls in two years

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[–] rambos@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I dont know where you live but in Croatia (EU) there is a registar "Dont Call" that you can add your number to. They told me that phone service providers are sharing our numbers LOL unless you ask them not to. This registar should be level above providers so your number should be private no matter what. I was just going to apply to that

That's... not how that works.

Diallers just dial random numbers. They don't need a list of numbers to call.

They DGAF if you're on a do not call register.

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[–] Rowan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There's an app called tasker that let's you set up some pretty deep automation on your phone. I've used this a set up a grey list on my phone.

If a call comes in from a saved contact, all is normal. If it's an unsaved number though, it doesn't ring and goes to voicemail as if I just didn't answer at all. If, however, they call back within two minutes, it will ring as per normal and I then know it's, likely, someone who actually needs me.

I set this up because my phone number gets passed around at work quite a bit. If someone really needs me, I always figure they'll call more than once or text after a missed call.

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[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Check your app store, there are a lot of spam blocker apps that can help with this. Some of them may be included with your phone plan depending on the carrier!

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[–] odama626@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If you have a pixel you can turn on call screening for unknown numbers. Ive been using it for a couple years now on my pixel and my phone hardly ever rings now, its fantastic

Phone > settings > call screen > automatically screen calls + maximum protection.

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[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Put your phone on do not disturb for anyone not in your contacts. I almost never get spam calls anymore because my phone just sends them all straight to voicemail and they seem to have figured out that they'll never get through to a real person. It took a few months, and I still had to clear out quite a few voicemails in that time but I didn't get notifications about them so I could just clear them out at the end of the day.

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[–] Shape4985@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago

An app on android called "should i answer" is good for blocking spam

[–] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There's a setting to screen call as many people mention.

But there's another setting tucked away somewhere else to block unknown numbers and that's helped me a lot as well.

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[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 6 points 9 months ago

If the pixel 5 supports it, absolutely turn on assistant call screening. If a number is slightly suspected of being a spam call, it will send it to Google assistant who asks them who they are and why they're calling. This filters nearly all spam calls in my experience, while not preventing you from getting legitimate calls.

Even better, after using it a while I no longer get many spam calls, maybe 1-2 a week that gets quietly handled in the background.

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