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For a long time, I thought of the blockchain as almost synonymous with cryptocurrencies, so as I saw stuff like "Odyssey" and "lbry" appearing and being "based on the blockchain", my first thought was that it was another crypto scam. Then, I just got reminded of it and started looking more into it, and it just seemed like regular torrenting. For example, what's the big innovation separating Odyssey from Peertube, which is also decentralized and also uses P2P? And what part of it does the blockchain really play, that couldn't be done with regular P2P? More generally, and looking at the futur, does the blockchain offer new possibilities that the fediverse or pre-existing protocols don't have?

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[–] zanzo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

zero knowledge proofs, like those being deployed on blockchains recently, have the potential to be the killer app for this tech. Imagine you want a library card which requires proof of residence. With a zero-proof identity system, you could get your library card without revealing any personal info, like your name or address. Your wallets would simply prove to the library that you are a resident as credentialed by some local/state authority.

This also could have profound implications for the web like universal logins to web services, online privacy while still providing attribution, ownership and rights to digital content, copyright, etc.

[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You don’t need blockchain to do ZKP.

You don’t even need ZKP to do these things. Obviously (as you said) there’s a local/state authority who knows this. The library could just ask them about it.

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[–] ReallyKinda@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Could be used for coordinating large scale decentralized projects. Say we want to organize logistics of food so that everyone gets some. After calculating need for each locale independently, Blockchain could be used for people to commit to, for example, bringing 4 crates of carrots to a location for shipping. Additional blockchain ledgers might keep track of space on the transportation vehicles etc. The ledger’s main job here would be to ensure that a given task (or a given cubic foot for the space example) is not double booked, and to allow interested parties to see where there needs to be more commitment in order to feed everyone (or fill up the ship in the space example).

[–] Rakn@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

What value does Blockchain provide here? It feels like none whatsoever.

[–] Emberwatch@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've been thinking about this for a while, and would love to have other, more knowledgeable (hopefully!) opinions on this:

I've been dwelling on how we might be able to enforce some sort of set of rules or widely agreed upon "morals" on artificial general intelligence systems, which is something that should almost certainly be distributed in order a single entity from seizing control of it (governments, private individuals, corporations, or any AGI systems), and which would also allow a potentially growing set of rules or directives that couldn't be edited or controlled by a singular actor--at least in theory.

What other considerations would need to be made? Is this a plausibly good use of this technology?

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[–] danhab99@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

I thought Git was a blockchain. Isn't it?

[–] megasin1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I haven't been able to quite figure it out. But I keep having this idea that blockchain would be really good for journaling and validating elections. I haven't been able to solve how you handle both anonymity and spam bots simultaneously because you can only give each person one vote. But the concept of peer 2 peer journaling sounds perfect for handling trust

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That'd probably be a component. The problem with digital elections is that they're EXTREMELY complicated. Complexity means risk of error and you don't want to fuck up an election. We've already seen the fuss people make when an election is generally successful.

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[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I see blockchain technology and it's potential as analogous to a globally shared spreadsheet where nobody can go back and change history.

Now, just imagine what billions of humans could do if they could all work on the same spreadsheets without needing to trust each other.

  • Many financial institutions would be unnecessary
  • Ownership can be verified without need of paper and it's risks of destruction, or trusting corporate computer networks. This applies to houses and boats just as much to movies and songs. Imagine commodity/utility music streaming validating your ownership of music via NFT ownership, not locked down by Apple, Amazon, or anyone else?
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