Turkey fucked themselves after years of what can best be described as intentionally choosing every single wrong answer in economics 101.
this post was submitted on 27 Jan 2024
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Because of what someone wrote hundreds of years ago.
Not just economics, socially he has done everything he can to fuck over minorities.
For those not familiar with this language a "basis point" is .01 of a percentage point. So in this example:
"Turkey’s central bank on Thursday hiked its key interest rate by another 250 basis points"
...would mean an interest rate hike of 2.5%.
To put that into perspective, the USA's Prime Interest rate (which mortgages, bank loans, and credit card rates are derived) is currently 8.5%. If the USA raised the Prime Interest rate by 2.5% making Prime Interest rate 11% there would be huge HUGE economy impacts. Entire industries overnight would become nonviable. The slow home sales right now would grind to a near absolute halt. Millions of Americans that are servicing revolving debt would see their monthly payments see large increases.
wtf so why turkey did that?, what's the objective?
Because erdogan is a fucking moron, he lowered rates and it resulted in higher inflation so now he’s just doing the opposite after he fucked it even more
It costs more to borrow money so consumers and businesses borrow and spend less and when people spend less it drives down price fighting inflation...more or less the thinking
There are a number of "levers" that a nation has to influence its economy. Here's a really simplified version. The biggest lever on one side has low interest rates, and when you swing it to the other side is high interest rates.
When you want your economy to "heat up" or increase in activity, you swing the lever to "low interest rates" - Depositor's (you, me, and corporations) money sitting safely in banks now earns a lot less interest. So a company is not making very much money just letting it sit. Companies will look for things they can remove their money from bank for and invest in (new businesses, hire new workers, expansion, research & development on new products). This ultimately means the money is spent to buys things. If everyone is doing this same thing, the price for things to buy goes up. There are more buyers than product. This is inflation, which too much, is bad for your economy. So what do you do when you now have high inflation and the value of your money is going down (because it takes more money to buy the same thing you bought before)?
When you want your economy to "cool down" or decrease activity, you swing the lever the other way to "high interest rates". Companies see they can get great returns just by stuff their money in a bank and it is a super safe investment. Suddenly all of that spending that was happening in your economy to buy things for expansion, starting new business, or hiring additional workers dries up. The rise of prices slows, and given enough time, halts.
So who moves the lever? How do they know when to move it? Which side do they move it to? How long do they let it sit at that setting before they move it again? How do they know when to do that second move?
Federal bankers who are economists that watch for market trends and economic indicators. It is much more art than science. When they do their job well, you don't even notice. Things just get good. When they don't do well, your entire country feels it and daily life is massively affected. People lose jobs, houses, and have trouble feeding themselves.
Millions of Americans that are servicing revolving debt would see their monthly payments see large increases.
I have an SBA loan that I took out in 2021. My monthly payments have gone up by $2500 ish in just interest. It really hurts.
Inflation was bad for a while and Erdoğan insisted in lowering interest rates because he thought they cause inflation.
What changed that now they are rising them? Did he admit he was wrong?
Hiking interest rates don't cause inflation, they cause your electoral support to go down. He won a close election, so now he can fix the problem without loosing power.
"fix"
What changed that now they are rising them? Did he admit he was wrong?
Erdogan won the election in May. So now he's dealing with the "find out" phase of fucking around and ignoring economists telling him that lowering interest rates to fight inflation was like fighting a fire by pouring napalm on it.
I swear it'll work, just get more napalm!
Surely the fire will run out oxygen eventually...right?
Yikes, apparently I missed that things got this bad. wtf happened?
Erdoğan happened.
Fascists crash economies. Despite what the Marxists will tell you, fascism is terrible for capitalism. The only way fascists are ever able to show a profit is by stealing the gold out of people's teeth.
Do Marxists say that fascism is good for the economy? Fascism is what happens when capitalism runs out of steam. It's like the death throes of capitalism. The ruling class trying to maintain power over a population disenchanted by the realities of capitalism.
Yeah I agree with you.
Holy shit! I remember hearing things were bad a while back, but those numbers are insane. Good luck getting out of that hole.
I mean, Turkey is no stranger to inflation. When I was there in 2000 before revaluation, it was something like a million old lira = $1.
Thanks Erdogan.
Yeah, his belief that lowering the interest rate was the way to fight inflation didn't workout. Now they're using the traditional interest rate hike tactic and that's going to hurt.
So -20% real interest rate. No way that could cause inflation...
Erdogan and his central bank head think raising interest rates causes inflation.
Turkey’s inflation seems to almost follow moors law.