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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 139 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Apple isn't that much of an asshole, it only does all the dick moves it is legally allowed to.

[–] pensivepangolin@lemmy.world 67 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No their ads told me they’re the heroic guardians of my privacy.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 43 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think they're probably better on privacy than default out of the box Android phones loaded up with Google adware, but that's such an incredibly low bar.

[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

The only way they are better, is the fact there is only one party having access to the data, aka only Apple. On Android you have google + the manufacturer, and in some cases more than those two

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 4 points 9 months ago

Which is obviously true, just like everything else you read on the web. If someone wrote it on the web, it has to be true. It’s we well known fact, that it physically impossible for it to be otherwise.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Can't think of any worse assholes except Google.

Just because they make nice looking hardware, you give them a pass.

[–] hangukdise@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Samsung finally ditched the stupid curved glass, so Androidland now has nice hardware too

[–] Joker@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Good luck with that. Their phones are filled with ads and Samsung’s crappy software that can’t be removed. Apple and Google do the same thing, but their apps are at least good. As good as Samsung’s hardware is, they mess up the package with their hot garbage software.

[–] drawerair@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

There are 4 Samsung apps that I'll erase if it'll be just a tap. So it's not very 👎. I can use Android debug bridge to erase those but I won't bother. If there are 30 bloat apps, I'll erase those.

I've been using my Samsung a70 for about 2 years. The Samsung apps are generally fine.

[–] hangukdise@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I do wholeheartedly agree that Samsung writes shit software tho, but their customizations for the last seven years stopped frying my phone. (S2 was okay, S3 was such a dumpster fire of a phone caused by Samsung's deplorable coding)

I have the impression that OS restrictions imposed by Google on latest versions of Android and - perhaps - the move to Kotlin improved it. I have been using a S10+ and had no issues with software. Crappy software can be removed without root using ADB and, in my region, Samsung does not bundle carrier crap (except stupid Facebook stuff that is still present in S10 and even S24 series)

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yeah I never understood that. Made me stop buying Samsung phones, also because they added a price premium. Turns out that the best Android phones are Motorola phones like the Edge 30. No crapware at all and fantastic battery time.

[–] Moira_Mayhem@beehaw.org 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I never understood this

iPhones are fashion accessories before anything else.

Samsung for some fuckdamn reason just copycats everything Apple does.

The curved glass was a stupid, expensive, and failure prone attempt at capturing the fashion accessory market.

All it did was piss off eight years of customers.

It really is amazing how companies with ridiculous amounts of money for research and product testing and they hang on to an abject failure like this for so long.

[–] hangukdise@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

All it did was piss off eight years of customers.

Yes, curved glass serves no function and introduces a vulnerable point, prone for cracking

And makes it basically impossible to get a glass screen protector.

[–] Moira_Mayhem@beehaw.org 2 points 9 months ago

And makes just holding it normally cause misclicks as the edge of your fingertips brush the curved glass.

Honestly I would be a lot less pissed about it if they just hadn't extended the touch sensitivity all the way around the curve.

[–] drawerair@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

There are a few phones (I hope there'll be more) that last 2 days with medium use. I'm :) for folks with those phones.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 52 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Looking forward to the day I have the cash for Fairphone or some other alt to Android/iOS

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 26 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Oh I didn't know about fair phone. Thank you for making me aware of this project.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Do your own research but I've heard they've gotten better.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago

Very welcome, my friend.

[–] Undertaker@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Be aware that their hardware has cross gen problems and their support is very bad. /e/os has implemented tracking id into their update service. They are calling cleanapk, they update OS and Webview extremly slow resulting in a very insecure OS.

[–] torbjoern@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

they update OS and Webview extremly slow resulting in a very insecure OS.

I've recently got monthly updates. The last one from 2024-01-09 containing Android security patches until 12/2023.

[–] torbjoern@feddit.de 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I can recommend flashing /e/OS to de-google the Fairphone. Running smoothly on my FP3 since 2021.

[–] biddy@feddit.nl 46 points 9 months ago

Yes, they are also as painful as possible for every other browser. That's the point.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 26 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Apple’s new rules in the European Union mean browsers like Firefox can finally use their own engines on iOS.

Although this may seem like a welcome change, Mozilla spokesperson Damiano DeMonte tells The Verge it’s “extremely disappointed” with the way things turned out.

“We are still reviewing the technical details but are extremely disappointed with Apple’s proposed plan to restrict the newly-announced BrowserEngineKit to EU-specific apps,” DeMonte says.

In iOS 17.4, Apple will no longer force browsers in the EU to use WebKit, the underlying engine that powers Safari.

“Apple’s proposals fail to give consumers viable choices by making it as painful as possible for others to provide competitive alternatives to Safari,” DeMonte adds.

Epic CEO Tim Sweeney called the new terms a “horror show,” while Spotify said the changes are a “farce.” Apple’s guidelines are still pending approval by the EU Commission.


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[–] CMDR_Horn@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Wonder if you could get an eu iPhone in the us, or use a vpn, or something else…

[–] lurker8008@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Probably ok with VPN if you never allow the phone to detect its location (gps and cell towers) cause Apple would know immediately.

But that begs the question of what happen to EU users traveling outside the EU region?

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Features are locked to the region the phone was designed for so nothing software will work.

[–] lurker8008@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

So theoretically importing a European iPhone can unlock features?

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

Otherwise a European traveler would suddenly have his apps stop working outside EU

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Yes. The region the iphone ins manufactured for determines it's features it gets.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Yes you can. I imported my iPhone 15 from Canada because I wanted the physical sim car slot. It costs a pretty penny but if it’s what you value then it’s worth it.

I just bought mine on eBay and it showed up in like 3 days.