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@jordanlund@lemmy.world now: "NO BIDEN DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE GENOCIDE".
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Biden knew, that's not why he supported Israel. He supported Israel to defend itself from Iran.
What Israel chose to do with that support is on THEM. Not Biden.
How is that an excuse? You send weapons to a genocidal regime, knowing they're currently doing genocide, you are guilty. Your ulterior motives doesn't matter.
"Ok Mr Judge I gave that arsenic to that serial poisoner but he told me he wanted to defend himself against rats. I knew he poisoned a bunch of people but again not my business".
Because, as a country and a people Israel does, in fact, have the right to exist and defend themselves. They are going about it 110% the wrong way, but no American president or congress has the balls to tell Israel "Sorry, kid, you're on your own, good luck!"
Until that happens, or some other country intervenes directly in Israel, it will only get worse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_denial
""It was self defense"
The killing of civilians, especially able bodied males is rationalized in preemptive attack, as they are accused of plotting against the perpetrators. The perpetrator may exterminate witnesses and relatives of the victims.
I'm not denying the genocide, Israel is absolutely committing genocide. Biden's support of Israel was NOT FOR THE GENOCIDE.
Biden supported the legitimate defense of Israel. Netanyahu and Likud abused that support.
There are two things going on here:
#1) Iran and Iran affiliated groups are attacking Israel.
#2) Israel is commiting genocide against the Palestinians.
Biden was attempting to head off #1, while Israel re-directed that support to #2.
They didn't really call for it to stop military action though. They called for it to stop doing things intended to be genocide; I predict that Israel will just disagree that it intends genocide, and keep on doing it.
Ruling that the Palestinians are a protected class under the Genocide conventions is pretty big though...
From the live thread:
"7m ago 07.43 EST International Court of Justice orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza Judge Donoghue says the court has decided that Israel must “take all measures within its its power” to prevent all acts within the scope of the genocide convention.
She adds that Israel must ensure “with immediate effect” that its forces do not commit any of the act in the genocide convention.
Israel must also take immediate measures to improve the humanitarian situation in Gaza."
and:
"14m ago 07.37 EST ICJ recognises right of Palestinians in Gaza to be protected from acts of genocide Judge Donoghue, speaking now at the ICJ, said at least some rights sought by South Africa in its genocide case against Israel’s war in Gaza are plausible. She said: “A link exists between the rights claimed by South Africa that the court has found plausible and at least some of the provisional measures requested.”
With the reading still ongoing, the court said it recognises the right of Palestinians in Gaza to be protected from acts of genocide. Palestinians appear to be a protected group under the genocide convention, the court said.
Friday’s ruling at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) does not deal with the core accusation of the case – whether genocide occurred – but will focus on the urgent intervention sought by South Africa."
Also, statements by Israel are pretty fucking damning IMO:
"20m ago 07.33 EST Judge Donoghue is detailing comments made by Israeli officials during the war, including:
Defence minister Yoav Gallant saying he had ordered “complete siege” of Gaza City”, and later said “we will eliminate everything” and that Israel was fighting “human animals”.
President Isaac Herzog saying, “It’s an entire nation out there that is responsible”."
So is saying that we shouldn’t kill innocent humans ‘A big deal’
Was the world up till now thinking that Palestinians are not humans?
Are only Jews protected under the genocide convention?
What the fuck is going on?
So is saying that we shouldn’t kill innocent humans ‘A big deal’
I know you're being sarcastic, but yeah. The situation is so dire that having someone at least come out and say "This is wrong" is a net improvement.
Israel argued that because Jews were affected by a genocide, Israel is therefore unable to commit it themselves.
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The tl;dr is:
- Palestinians are protected under the genocide conventions.
- Israel needs to take steps to ensure genocide is not being committed.
- Israel needs to improve humanitarian aid to Gaza.
- Come back in a month.
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"You're committing genocide."
"Okay, but did I intend to? :trollface:"
"stop committing hate crimes"
"Is it a hate crime if Im enjoying it?"
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Expected and disappointing statement. This just backs the non-statement of saying Israel should “do what it can” to protect civilians. The simplest way to protect civilians is to order an immediate ceasefire. This will help Biden to continue supporting the genocidal campaign that Israel is conducting on the Palestinians, because nothing he says opposes the ICJ.
I'd add, I'm not happy with the "yeah, come back in a month" phrasing. Israel could see that as "Oh, so as long as we finish this in a month...?"
Yeah absolutely, since their wording is so vague there’s not really a bar that they would need to meet.
And at least one Israeli official's response is patently offensive:
"12m ago 08.10 EST
Israel’s security minister responds to ICJ ruling by tweeting 'Hague Shmague'
Itamar Ben-Gvir has responded to the ICJ ruling by tweeting: “Hague Shmague”.
The South African government said it welcomed the provisional measures the ICJ had ordered against Israel."
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The International Court of Justice rejects Israel's bid to throw out the genocide case, calls for Israel to take steps to protect Palestinians in Gaza.
The ICJ also ordered Hamas to release the hostages being held in Gaza. There was no call by the court for Israel to end the war. The case will continue.
I mean, the ICJ is organized and maintained by the UN, so it makes sense that a “strong response” from them effectively amounts to hand-wringing.
Netanyahu told the ICJ to suck his balls and they got down on their knees.
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