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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Literally the only thing you 100% need to survive that is also 100% free if you live among society and don't produce it yourself is the air you breathe.

Hell even if you produce your own food and have water on your land, you're gonna be paying taxes for it all, so even that isn't exactly free.

[–] itsAsin@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it doesn't say "free", it says "for profit".

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

And usually the opposite of something sold for profit is free. I mean, personally I've never heard of something sold for non-profit.

The opposite of "nothing a human needs should be sold for profit" would be "everything a person needs to survive should be free."

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago

I’ve never heard of something sold for non-profit.

A synonym used more often is "sold at cost".

[–] gxgx55@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

This is just like how people confuse the words "profit" and "revenue". Sold for no revenue would be for free, sold for no profit doesn't mean free at all.

[–] yuun@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This implies the comment I replied to was joking. So what's the punchline? Cuz it reads more like they didn't understand what I said initially than being a joke.

Or being highly pendantic about the verbiage that a reasonable person would have understood through context.

[–] Johanno@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 years ago

No profit means that if I buy the food from the Farmer for 1€ and add all my costs of transportation and storage and maintenance of my business then it will cost 3€ however because I want to profit of my work I will add a few € to the price. Now it costs 8€.

So I could sell for 3€ and still wouldn't lose money. That would be non-profit.

It literally says "sold for profit" not "free"

[–] webghost0101@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yes. “That isn’t exactly free” indeed.

We give power to greed and it has corrupted our institutions. We differentiate far to little between personal ownership (to maintain and survive) and private ownership (to profit and expand) when it comes to taxes.

Any system where people will die from lack of resources should be abolished.

[–] unconsciousvoidling@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago

These Canadian wild fires are fucking that up... i honestly don't think that's something that will last forever.

[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago

If a business can't afford to pay a living wage to its laborers for a a fair price to its customers, let it die. That's what capitalism is for my doors.

If the business is so special and important that letting it die would mess yo shit up, then make it a publicly owned service. That's what organized government is for doods.

[–] Nesola@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

In terms of healthcare and medicine I totally agree. But I’m not sure about food. It’s absence would kill me but to have or for free would be problematic. Water is another problem field.

[–] kakes@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago

Are you seriously saying you don't have the willpower to regain from eating something simply because it's available to you?

[–] colin@lemmy.uninsane.org 7 points 2 years ago

curious your reasoning because from a hierarchy of needs i'd put food as more fundamental than most of healthcare/medicine (i.e. preventive care, quality-of-life care; ER services and life-threatening sicknesses could be as immediate as food though)... plus the cost of some baseline of universal food is surely a lot lower than universal healthcare.

[–] torafugu@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

It sucks that even water costs money.

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