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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml to c/announcements@lemmy.ml

Insulting or attacking other users, even so much saying "fuck you", "fuck [this group of people]", "you're an idiot" or anything like that while debating IS against the rules of Lemmy.ml. This goes for every political view, you DO NOT get free passes no matter if you're leftist, rightist, communist, anarchist, liberal, etc. If you're confident of your position you should be able to debate in a civil manner without cursing someone else out. I understand that debates can get heated and frustrating, hell I've debated with a good bunch of users, but you can still express that without resorting to name calling or insults.

Check the modlog, we HAVE removed replies of this nature from every political view, and even if we don't say it every time, we DO keep track of both removals per user and general behaviour even if it doesn't get removed, and too many infractions WILL result in a ban.

That said, it is NOT against the rules to present countering facts or opinions, or to have political opinions in general. Don't report comments for "being pro communist" or "being pro China" unless they have broken an actual rule, namely the ones about being civil. Don't attack or insult people from Lemmygrad just because they're from Lemmygrad or they're arguing for Marxism-Leninism or supporting a country you don't. If they're presenting their points in a civil manner (which had been the case for almost everyone from Lemmygrad), you can either read it and respond in kind with your questions or counterpoints, or just move on. People coming over from other instances is not brigading if they're mostly being civil, that's the whole point of federation.

Things people disagree with getting down voted is also acceptable, it's not considered an attack on you if your comment has a negative score, and it doesn't even significantly affect the ranking because of the relatively low comment volumes currently on Lemmy. It's just imaginary internet points, relax.

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[-] Stoned_Ape@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

It’s just imaginary internet points, relax.

Honest question: Then why are we having these points? If they are of no actual use, and nobody should care about them, why are they implemented? For what reason?

[-] w_ortiz@beehaw.org -1 points 2 years ago

Most people from lemmygrad (and friends) will also insult you by calling you "imperialist" or "liberals", even though you clearly state you are not. I am anticapitalist and anarchist and receive these too often on Lemmy.ml
When various people are doing it to you, in small comments, it is not officially an insult but it's meant the same and it hurts the same. Plus some people are openly calling for this kind of brigading from lemmygrad users, and never receive a ban for it?

I'm grateful to the developers for providing Lemmy software, but you're not addressing the problem here, and it's hurting Lemmy as a serious alternative to Reddit.

[-] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We have very different definitions for what bigrading is. Simply coming over and providing counterpoints is not brigading if they're not cursing other people out. The whole point of federation is to allow other instances to interact.

My only advice for being called "liberal" or "imperialist" is to not internalize them so much. Do you expect the admins to police every use of the term imperialist and liberal and remove any potentially inaccurate usage? I've been called plenty of things I'm definitely not for being a Marxist-Leninist, including a genocide and cultural cleansing supporter, also imperialist gets dropped on me too for whatever reason, but I honestly just don't care and being called something I know I'm not is not going to shake my views.

I'm not sure what else to tell you other than to block Lemmygrad users or use an instance that doean't federate with them.

[-] w_ortiz@beehaw.org -1 points 2 years ago

Simply coming over and providing counterpoints is not brigading

I'm definitely not talking about that. I'm talking about people stating one-liner comments with no counter points and calling you "imperialist" or "liberal", and throwing it at you like you are a murderer or CIA (which is the same).
If you don't see precisely what I'm talking about, too bad. Others will get that. And move to other instances like I did, sadly.

I have nothing personnal against you though.

[-] giffybiss@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Bro stop fronting. That person didn’t call you a liberal or imperialist. They were trying to tease out what exactly you meant by being civil.

[-] abbenm@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

So fwiw, if you are looking for feedback here, I have ended up walking away from Lemmy (well, I maybe check the front page 1x every couple of months) in part because I think there's a population of antagonistic users who effectively game the rules by being antagonistic up to the limits of what's tolerated. My belief is that trolling reinvents itself every few years, and right now Lemmy is in a spot where it isn't catching up how modern trolling works.

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

just ban me, these libs have chosen me as meal of the day. Just do it. They're insufferable. I didn't know I would cause a problem...

[-] liwott@nerdica.net 1 points 2 years ago

I didn't know I would cause a problem...

Did you seriously think going around insulting people would not cause any problem?

these libs

Sure, one cannot disagree with your behaviour unless they are liberal. This is about liberals wanting to silence your ML points, not at all about the (ML) admins having repeatedly had to delete your hateful comments.

People call you out for your toxic behaviour, and you play the victim.

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Did you seriously think going around insulting people would not cause any problem?

No, I've seen tones of insults slung around on lemmy.

People call you out for your toxic behaviour, and you play the victim.

what? Playing victim? I'm asking to be banned! Isn't that what you want? Of course I'm going to be salty, this is the only way I talk to my friends. I'm just not disagreeing that I've become a point of contention, and I truly don't want to be a bother. I don't have some double motive, I'm very blunt, which is why I'm currently in trouble.

[-] liwott@nerdica.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, I've seen tones of insults slung around on lemmy.

Mind to share examples that were not modded out?

these libs have chosen me as meal of the day

How is this not playing the victim? You are pushing a narrative where there is a group of liberals that every once in a while tricks the admins into having a marxist banned, and today it happened to be you. Can you point to an example of that ever happening to someone else?

In this post where an admin invited readers to check the modlog and appreciate the good quality of moderation, people are mentioning you for seemingly benefitting from laxist moderation. Do you find that unfair?

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