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Low-quality shells supplied to Russia by North Korea are injuring its own troops and damaging artillery, Ukraine says (www.businessinsider.com)

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[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 98 points 9 months ago

Must be fun putting high explosives in a cannon and not knowing what will happen when you fire it.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago

Biblically-accurate Russian roulette?

[-] Skua@kbin.social 17 points 9 months ago

"Roulette" is French for "little wheel", so I suppose this is Russian roue

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 11 points 9 months ago

Surely it's roule? (No I'm not gonna look it up because it's more fun to guess.)

[-] Skua@kbin.social 26 points 9 months ago

French cares not for your petty expectations of consistency

[-] jaxxed@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Every french speaker knows that the end of the word is not. Important

[-] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

And they sure are roueing the day!

[-] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 50 points 9 months ago

Rare North Korea W

[-] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

Who though that North Korea would be on Ukraine's side?

[-] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 35 points 9 months ago

Heartbreaking! The worst government you know just did something great, by accident.

[-] PauloPelle@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

With friends like these who needs enemies

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

... S Korea should start supplying large amounts of artillery ammo to Ukraine. It could be a proxy for the Korean War.

I imagine their shells are of much higher quality too.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Actually, South Korea has provided shells to Ukraine, but I doubt it is a proxy for anything.

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

True. They have a lot more though. Most countries haven't invested heavily in their 155 mm. S Korea, with all their artillery pointed across the DMZ for decades now, is an exception.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

I was reading that Japan is sending Patriot missiles and arty shells that they have manufactured to the US. The US can then ship them on to Ukraine. Japanese law forbids sending weapons directly into a war.

[-] crackajack@reddthat.com 0 points 9 months ago

But a lot of people sees it that way. The war in Ukraine is proxy war between democratic countries versus authoritarian ones after all.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 16 points 9 months ago

You love to see it

[-] ironeagl@sh.itjust.works 14 points 9 months ago

It would be even better if these were shell that were originally sold by russia/USSR to North Korea.

[-] ares35@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago

russia army so stronk it can defeat itself!

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 9 points 9 months ago

It hurt itself in its confusion.

[-] 50gp@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago

pretty expected that they would get whatever deals they wanted from russians and then provide them with shit in return

[-] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

NK trolling Russia

[-] garibaldi_biscuit@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Et tu, Brute?

[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

These comment sections are beginning to look just like /r/worldnews.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Russia is using low-quality artillery shells from North Korea that are often defective and cause problems on the front lines, Ukraine's army said.

It is particularly a problem in the "Dnepr" grouping of forces operating around the southern Kherson region under the command of Col. Gen. Mikhail Teplinsky, according to Ukraine's army.

Defense expert Trevor Taylor from the London-based Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies previously told Politico that it was unclear whether the North Korean ammunition was of a reliable quality.

Meanwhile, fears are also growing of a Ukrainian shell famine as Western military aid shows signs of faltering.

During its counteroffensive in the summer, Ukrainian forces were burning through artillery shells at a rate of about 7,000 rounds a day, according to figures from Estonia's defense ministry.

Israel's war with Hamas could also divert tens of thousands of artillery rounds intended for Ukraine, Axios reported in October.

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[-] kokesh@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Dear leader, well done!

[-] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

dprk coming in clutch

[+] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml -7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

How would Ukraine know this??? Are they inspecting exploded shells and determining it to be north Korean? If so, how? And why actually? Why would they inspect backfired explosives that belonged to the enemy?

[-] viking@infosec.pub 17 points 9 months ago

It's called military intelligence, and yes of course that's what Ukraine does. Knowing how your enemy is armed and what specific advantages and weaknesses their equipment has can literally help to win a war. They'd be stupid not to inspect any remnants.

[-] jasory@programming.dev 5 points 9 months ago

Ukraine also engages in a fair amount of propaganda (so much so that US and UK intelligence regularly contradict them), so asking for evidence isn't too unreasonable.

[-] crackajack@reddthat.com 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

However, bear in mind two things.

Military intelligence is not fool proof. It is still subject to inaccuracy and counterintelligence. UK airforce thought Nazi Germany's Luftwaffe outnumber them during the Battle of Britain, but it turned out to be the opposite. Similarly, US thought the Soviet Union has outsizedly more nuclear weapons, but it turned out it is the other way around. The Soviets in World War II had also been exemplary with feeding misinformation to the Germans.
The Ukrainian military is still an organ of the Ukrainian government, who still has intention to keep morale up of their own people while undermining the enemy's. This is propaganda war as much as military one. After all, Kyiv admitted to having lied about the "Ghost of Kyiv" fighter ace pilot who supposedly shot down several Russian planes in the early days of the invasion. People cheered on that myth until confirmed to be untrue.

I'm not trying to undermine Ukraine's claim or effort and sow complete mistrust on Ukraine in their struggle, but I would reserve skepticism every now and then when any belligerent nations make extraordinary claims which require extraordinary evidence. Truth is the first casualty of war after all.

[-] TheUncannyObserver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago

The same way we know what people close to Putin are saying. Spies. Turns out, you offer people a little money, and many of them are more than happy to tell you anything you want to know. They did a test in New York once and found people were willing to give up corporate secrets for a bit of chocolate.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago

Oh shit, this makes more sense. I was very confused lmao

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