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I mean there's Reddit ofc, as well as Twitter in its entirety, Discord is implementing some dumb updates, there are issues with Tumblr as well as everything to do with Meta, and I'm sure there are plenty more (and I haven't even touched other digital media, for example the Sims). Why is it all happening in the span of about a couple months?

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[-] aragon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Lets take the example of Reddit. Reddit could have kept its costs to the minimum and could have run the site with the ad revenue that came in. In fact they could have talked transparently about their opex and asked for a simple donation drive every now and then like Wikipedia. If need be, they could have removed silly GIF replies and other stuff and focused on text alone. However this would not let them become the next Facebook. That's what they wanted to be. At some point in their story was a choice to be forums 2.0 or get into a race to become a cash grab. Sadly they went for the latter.

[-] Gargleblaster@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

n fact they could have talked transparently about their opex and asked for a simple donation drive every now and then like Wikipedia.

Let's remember this about Kbin and the Fediverse.

I would donate to help counterbalance the wave of migration that brought me here.

[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It's the money.

US Fed has raised interest rates, destroying money for the first time in decades in an effort to stop our inflation problem

The knock on effects is that banks literally have less money to lend to companies. Some companies are affected more than others by this environment. Tech was hit hard, extremely hard.

With hundreds of thousands of layoffs, tech industry is contracting. Silicon Valley bank literally evaporated in the span of 3 days. Twitter was losing money and had to sell out. StackOverflow is losing money and is currently selling out.

In this environment, Reddit is about to launch it's long awaited IPO, the time when the public is allowed to directly buy Reddit stock and invest into the company. That's what Initial Public Offering means. If Reddit does well, Reddit will pull in lots of money this year through this IPO.

The CEO of Reddit needs to prove Reddit is profitable, or if not profitable... Will eventually be profitable. Stockholders don't care about Reddit drama for the most part, but most are smart enough to read financial sheets. Reddit needs to show growing revenue, growing profits and cutting costs to attract money.

As such, all of what Reddit's CEO has done makes sense in the context of the IPO. He is betting that shareholders won't notice the drop of high quality content creators from Reddit, since that's not a financial number that's reported. He can IPO, raising millions, maybe even billions for himself. The golden parachute outta here when everything gets screwed up in a year or two and collapses.

I think today's investors are smarter though, and the bearish economy and high interest rates means more investors will pay attention to underlying issues.

[-] riot_baby@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

U just enlightened me sir. Thank you.

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Generally the drama isn't a big deal. But in a specific case the only value of the site is in the community moderation and the depth of data on the site.

He needs investors to buy in but he also needs advertisers to buy in. Advertisers do not love paying for negative drama.

[-] Llamajockey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Late stage capitalism You make a business and it goes well, you make some money everyone is happy.

But with time your profits will plateau or even decline. It's natural, but businesses don't understand that it is insane to expect a company to always turn crazy profits when the product does not evolve.

Companies like apple and Microsoft don't worry as much because they are constantly evolving with new product.

Companies like Twitter, Facebook, reddit, Netflix have hit a wall where there really isn't anywhere else to go so they start making shareholder centered decisions made by people who aren't even in touch with the user base of their product.

[-] xcxcb@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

The VC money is drying up and they're demanding a return on investment as the world's economy struggles on at the moment.

[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is just what living in late stage capitalism looks like.

[-] toomanyjoints69@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

It's so weird that stuff is being intentionally designed to be worse.

[-] skillissuer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

it's not, the primary objective is to rake in ever bigger heaps of money. this is just a side effect

[-] Beliriel@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

So what you're saying is we should ban money

[-] ilikekeyboards@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I've never seen a more stupid comment. Your attempt at a satirical remark is at a kindergarten level. From reading it I deduct you believe there are no other solutions to it.

There are solutions to it. You'd find them if you used your cognition beyond playground squabble

[-] sudsieskymo@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Almost like it's impossible that was the least bit sarcastic.

[-] RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Capitalism slowly shits up everything. Even the things it helps create.

I mean this in the most general way possible. Not just platforms. Even if reddit was profitable it would still continue. It's just part of the cycle of seeking not just profits but ever rising profits.

It's just more obvious lately on digital platforms because it has been kind of compressed into smaller amounts of time.

That which is free must find a way to cost.

That that makes money must find a way to make more.

And slowly but surely its takes on a fine shine. A glean seen from a distance. But when you get close you realize. "oh, its fucking shit all over it."

[-] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I swear every problem in the modern world is like two degrees separated from capitalism.

[-] bilbofraggins@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah.. I mean, we on one hand, we now grow plenty of food to feed almost 8 billion people, cured polio, greatly extended lifespan all over the globe... But on the other hand (waves hand at everything).

Eternal growth on a finite planet ain't possible, but capitalism demands it. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[-] azurestrike@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

A lot of these companies have never been profitable and have been running on VC money on speculation alone until they reach critical mass and can turn on the monetization streams.

[-] gi1242@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

What were the bad decisions discord is making? Im out of the loop

[-] stephfinitely@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Because of capitalism, no seriously these decisions are based on money and growth. But both of these things are relatively finite. You can't keep have exponential growth year after year. Eventually you will plateau but there isnt a mechanism in capitalism to accept that. So companies start forcing monetary gain.

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of cancer.

[-] Snowpix@yiffit.net 1 points 1 year ago

And like cancer, it will eventually kill its host once things are beyond saving.

[-] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Mpeach45@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Because easy money from a decade of low interest rates is disappearing.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Start making alternatives, open source alternatives.

[-] aeternum@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

What are the dumb updates discord is doing? I haven't noticed anything different, except for the username change that doesn't have a gamertag anymore.

[-] VoidCrow@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

There is also that weird hidden alternate layout that is an ungodly eyesore (I think it can be accessed either in the settings or if you double click the sparkle emoji for some reason?) Admittedly I'm not as familiar with Discord's issues, mainly heard others talking about it

[-] ReCursing@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

New layout? I've seen no hint of that and I use discord all the time

[-] AshenPaladin@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I don't know honestly, greed probably. But it's such a shame. It seems like the internet as a whole is heading in a horrible direction, and not enough people care about it for there to be something done about it.

[-] emptyother@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

The climate is heading in a horrible direction, and not enough people care. Politics are heading in a horrible direction, and you know what? Not enough people care!

Sorry, the last 4 years has made me very cynical. And I'm in a particularly blue mood today.

[-] RomeCallen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

dude i feel that. its just lame and hard to grip with

its like i wish almost that i didnt care

[-] sourcery@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago

Search for 'Enshittification' if you want a pretty good analysis of what's going on. But basically greed, capitalism and the never ending pursuit of growth.

[-] preciouspupp@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

Capitalism created reddit.

[-] makr_alland@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Workers created Reddit, like everything else. Economic systems don't create anything, only determine who profits from those creations.

[-] BobKerman3999@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

workers created the platform, Reddit is the content that is freely created by the community. see how now all the search results are useless because users deleted their own content, but the platform is still there.

Edit I just found out that all my content that I edited + deleted a week ago and wasn't visible then, is back.

To check if your data is still available on reddit just do a Google search putting site:reddit.com and your username after it in the search box. Google has still the username in the cache so when you click on the link you'll find your content under a "deleted" username.

[-] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

As a phenomenon you'll see a lot of people call it "enshittification." The term seems to originate with Cory Doctorow who writes, "Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die."

The whole article on his blog is worth a read here: https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys. His Mastodon handle is @pluralistic if you'd like to follow his work there (woohoo federation!).

[-] discodoubloon@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Reductivist, boring, and accurate. I’m impressed

[-] Xeelee@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

The main sticking point is profitability. Not many platforms have managed to create a business model that's sustainably profitable. Reddit certainly hasn't. Now they're basically looking for a way to cash out so they're prioritising short term profitability over everything.

[-] aeternum@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

They're just trying to survive until they IPO. Then they can cash out and who gives a fuck about reddit after that.

[-] FloatingBye@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Capital only looks out for itself. Online communities are a product to be exploited in the eyes of investors. The purse strings are getting tighter with rising interest rates, and investments that relied on potential are suddenly less exciting when the price to service goes up. Profit is king at the end of the day. It sucks, but that's capitalism.

[-] TempleSquare@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

But the good news is, tech is a highly disruptable industry. Barrier to entry is accessible for regular people.

And that's why we're here.

Reddit doesn't die because we left. They die in a few years when the Fediverse just works better than Reddit. And we fund that.

Speaking of, how do I kick in a few bucks to help out various Lemmy servers? Anyone know?

[-] RedditExodus@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I was able to donate to Ernest who runs kbin. I can't find the link at the moment but it is floating around here somewhere.

[-] RomeCallen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

its the little heart at the top of at least lemmy.world

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