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At least I’ll finally get to win the argument with my dad about if climate change is real or not.

Semantic satiation

Change is happening. We're reaching peak carbon this year or the next 2 years. China is widely forecast to emit less Carbon next year than this year.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-global-co2-emissions-could-peak-as-soon-as-2023-iea-data-reveals/

We just need to keep chipping away. This problem was created over 100+ years and it takes time to turn the ship.

Because the truth has limits on how hopeful and how simple it can be. Whereas the lies of billionaires have no such limitations.

I agree with your point that the messaging isn't working. But pushing hope without radical reform of our current systems is basically just trying to diffuse the reaction to the facts without actually changing the facts leading to the reaction.

Agreed. Everyone that cares already knows. Those that don't care aren't listening.

It's time to write about workable solutions for those who care. What we can do to prepare, what we can do to mitigate, and what we can do to survive in this new world coming our way.

We need organization and action of the masses commensurate with the danger. That would give me some hope for once.

Are we supposed to be really excited about one of our apocalypse options?

Developing nations need electricity and primary energy growth. They need it to pull people out of poverty, and guarantee basic human needs like food, water, shelter as well as basic human desires like education, employment, and transportation. Western countries should be using their immense economic power to make renewable sources of energy the more cost-effective solution. They're not.

China is on track to hit peak oil (this year) and peak coal (next year). This is due to their EV adoption rate (~40% and growing fast) and their solar panel installation rate (this year, more than the entire sum of all US solar panels). China dominates the supply chain: they make up more than half of all battery exports and more than 80% of all solar panels exports worldwide. In less than a decade, China has drove down the cost of EVs to parity with ICE vehicles ($10000/car) and drove down the cost of solar to be less than that of traditional fossil fuels.

The West could have done the same. Instead, we kept jacking off our O&G producers and giving them billions of dollars in subsidies while solidifying the advantage of established car and solar companies rather than driving innovation from competition.

Even if the western nations pollute less, developing nations will still pollute a lot more and will get us to tipping points anyway, albeit perhaps slightly slower.

Ehh, it's worth noting that developing nations tend to pollute a lot less per capita. And as they develop they can transition to cleaner forms of energy, as they gain the economic ability to do so.

Pointing at developing nations is a convenient excuse for developed nations to avoid taking the actions we need to take.

My thing is what we are seeing with coal. This should be a no brainer but its use is still increasing!!!

Even if the western nations pollute less, developing nations will still pollute a lot more

But that's still less bad than if the western nations don't pollute less.

Plus the more advanced nations can develop the technologies and techniques that all countries can implement for the benefit of all of us.

If there is the political will.

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Giving up isn't the answer, no matter how overwhelming the problem looks. Because the alternative is a very unpleasant march towards extinction.

Should've woken up earlier. Then it could've been the 4th shitty thing you'd heard today and it would've stung less.

What now?

War, famine, death, breakdown of society, collapse of civilisation, rise of warlords, etc.