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[–] johan@feddit.nl 43 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Ha! He's a comedian making a joke. Perhaps not the best joke, but obviously a joke. He's even on stage in his role as comedian.

After all the vile things Wilders has said that were dead serious I feel like this is nothing.

Probably good publicity for the comedian though, and of course it's some political points for Wilders and the rest of the far-right ("look how violent these left-wing people of color are!").

[–] quindraco@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

The Netherlands don't have freedom of speech, though, so that's immaterial. The closest thing they have is Article 7, Subarticle 3 in general, which only means they can't legally be compelled to seek prior approval for speech.

[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is not a joke that is very appropriate though. In the early 2000s a politician similar to Wilders was killed for his opinions. Another (even further) right-wing politician was assaulted twice in the past few months, and Wilders himself hasn't been able to go anywhere without bodyguards in the past few years. We're still a democracy, Wilders should be able to say things without getting constant death threats. Unlike the US, things are not yet as polarized here. To me it feels like the comedian made a very inappropriate "joke", even if I also absolutely despise Wilders

[–] johan@feddit.nl 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I understand the context of Pim Fortuyn of course and I agree it's not a good joke or anything like that. I just feel like this is made into way too big of a deal for what was probably an off thr cuff comment.

I do think that "fuck around and find out" should be true. Baudet for example is just a fascist who is friends with the Russians and wants to destroy democracy in the Netherlands. I honestly think that until his party is outlawed it's a good thing he gets hit with umbrellas and beer bottles. Fuck him so hard, I don't think what he says should be tolerated.

[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl -2 points 11 months ago

Baudet is definitely on the edge yeah. Obviously there somes a moment where you shouldn't tolerate the intolerant and a democratic society shouldn't protect the undemocratic in the name of democracy. Up until now I don't think either of them has done enough to deserve that tho. Randomly calling for a politician to be killed, even as a joke, is in my opinion still bad taste. It's not the way I'd want Dutch politics to go, even for those who I disagree with. Violence and hate only creates more violence and hate

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Further evidence that conservatives are fascists... They aggressively seek to limit the free speech of any who may dissent or insult them.

[–] jwt@programming.dev 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Not at all, you clearly didn't read (or understand) the article:

"Halsema described the comment as "extremely questionable and distasteful.” She reported having been in contact with the Public Prosecution Service, which will determine whether the incident constitutes a punishable offense or falls under freedom of speech."

(Halsema being Mayor of Amsterdam and - with her GroenLinks background - the complete opposite of conservative)

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

What an absolute waste of time.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Zacks built a image around saying shit very unseriously and jokingly, a good lawyer will be able to use that image he's created to argue his stage persona was continuing on. If you don't know Zach Fox let me share a line from his song Jesus Is The One. 'Imma dip my balls in some thousand island dressing. Cuz I got depression.' Maybe I just wanted a excuse to bring that up but that's the character he is/plays. I think his history makes it hard to take this seriously or criminally.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago
[–] steakmeout@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Oh no! Anyway…

[–] chrishazfun@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

oh shit it's zack fox

[–] pan_troglodytes@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago

not the first time someone's made death threats/jokes about this guy

[–] poopkins@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Barbara Streisand effect. Let's not give this guy the time of day.