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Why YSK: because what seems like equal situation from surface isn't always equal opportunity for all. And even when equal measure of help is provided, it might not be equally useful.

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[–] thereisalamp@reddthat.com 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You entirely missed the point of this picture.

This picture isn't about breaking Steve's fingers so you can both play shitty guitar. It's about making sure you can both access a guitar and lessons to learn.

The equality picture would be shoving a guitar in each of your hands and a coupon for lessons, while failing to address that you live 2 hours away from the teacher while he lives next door.

Eta: equity would be providing you with a free buss ride to the teachers house 2 hours away. This gives you all the tools to get guitar lessons, but, you might not be able to take advantage of this because a 5 hour commitment isn't the same as a 1 hour 5 minute commitment and you lose out on opportunity cost. You get free guitar lessons and a ride, but the system is broken. Justice is fixing the system so that there's enough guitar teachers within a reasonable distance. Like say, making sure that no one is more than 20 minutes from a guitar teacher.

[–] whats_a_refoogee@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's about making sure you can both access a guitar and lessons to learn.

We are already trying to do that. It's called equality. Also known as equality of opportunity, where everyone has access to acquire a guitar and guitar lessons. How does "justice" augment this?

[–] thereisalamp@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

You failed at reading the rest of the comment.

[–] duffman@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The picture misses the millions of people who are too poor to afford a ladder and don't belong to one of the groups targeted by the equity crowd.

[–] readthemessage@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The equity crowd should want the poor people to afford a ladder, I do not understand your point.

[–] duffman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then they would put resources to poor people of any demographic.

[–] readthemessage@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're totally right, ideally yes.

Unfortunately, resources are limited and starting from somewhere is better than not starting at all.

[–] thereisalamp@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

This is where justice would come in. Fixing the system so that resources are distributed automatically to provide everyone with equitable access to the tools

[–] thereisalamp@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's actually where justice comes in.

Fixing the system so all people have equal access automatically under the system