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Good read, gives me a lot of hope for this project.

I look forward to an exciting future with all of you.

(Also- hopefully this wasn't posted already)

https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-17_-_Update_from_Lemmy_after_the_Reddit_blackout

This was written by the Lemmy devs.

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[–] spirit@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

Update 2: My conclusion


Update: So I dug around a little deeper, and found that


On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. These claims are completely false, and like most viral twitter threads, are coming from a single Mastodon user on a personal vendetta who didn’t provide any sources. Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored.

Update: More info about @dessalines@lemmy.ml

[–] MrFlamey@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's definitely good to have people like you investigating the backgrounds of key developers, as there might be ulterior motives behind them developing open platforms that compete with established Western companies outside of loving the free web and open source. Thank you!

However, I wonder how many opinions we disagree with would be unearthed by doing this kind of research on every core developer of Chrome, Windows, MacOS, Google or whatever. I think you would find a lot if you get people to air their honest opinions. In today's climate, if these people were open about certain opinions they might hold (not saying they do, but statistically it's likely some do) they would just be fired, so it's easy for large corporations to shake damage to their reputation from having certain staff members. For OSS it is a bit harder, since although developers can be pushed out, and software can be forked, it's all open and it's harder to understate the contribution to the source code etc. that such a person could have contributed.

It does kind of suck when you hear that developers working on software you like have wildly different worldviews to your own, but sometimes you have to put things in perspective. Having said that, if this guy is the only developer I might feel less than happy about using Lemmy instead of Reddit.

[–] Otakeb@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Personally, I'd rather my open source, decentralized software be developed by a nearly fanatical communist than a slimy entrepreneur/capitalist. Either could try to pull the rug out from under you, but at least one is internally consistent until then...

[–] xzite@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

but at least one is internally consistent until then…

Having to do the mental gymnastics required to make China not commit genocide does not suggest internal consistency...

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[–] ChaosAD@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

@dessalines@lemmy.ml is /u/parentis_shotgun on Reddit. Source: https://archive.is/Ky9vd

  1. There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.

  2. Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?

[–] epicspongee@midwest.social 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is so weird to me lol, maybe I'm just odd but it's so weird seeing McCarthyism still rearing it's ugly head after what... 5 decades? I am by no means an ML (can't stand them as an anarchist) but this is wildly blowing out of proportion what @dessalines@lemmy.ml has said and done.

I mean like why link a 'Socialist FAQ' that's literally just a ton of links to education on socialism and the different schools of thought it has? Not all communists are tankies (not even most) lol. Just generally shows a lack of familiarity with actual leftists / anticapitalists.

[–] bob@lemmy.havocperil.uk 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it's more like 7 decades and I thought the same. Reds-under-the-bed is still a thing!

[–] ChaosAD@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@dessalines@lemmy.ml is /u/parentis_shotgun on Reddit. Source: https://archive.is/Ky9vd

  1. There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.

  2. Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?

[–] epicspongee@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please stop spamming this in the thread, it's annoying af.

Sometimes people just like spreading drama. Other times they just have weird or different beliefs. Accusing someone of having ulterior motives isn't useful or helpful unless you can demonstrate that this person isn't just having an internet debate that they feel strongly about.

[–] LoboInvernal@lemmy.pt 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Accusing someone of having ulterior motives isn’t useful

@spirit is making claims out of his ass though and taking lots of upvotes. I don't agree with spamming but there is no proof the reddit user is Dessalines.

[–] epicspongee@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Okay, what I'm saying is a vast majority of the time people just say stupid shit online. And that's it. This is a good way to say it, not 'what does this person have to gain by doing the thing that internet users have done for forever to earn imaginary internet points? Are they trying to destroy Lemmy?'

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

thank you for the research & informing us

[–] spirit@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Happy to help. :)

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[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wow...thanks. I had no idea this was ongoing. As someone living in Asia and seeing these issues from up close, these ring close to home. I'll be paying attention for any of these...moderations.

[–] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you are not on lemmy.ml or lemmingrad there is nothing to look out for because these people have no influence on your content.

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How about Lemmy.world? Whichgroupss will they influence mostly?

[–] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

They moderste lemmy.ml and lemmingrad. Apart from those, in which they are admins, they have zero influence or power anywhere else... Lemmy world and other indtances have completely different people in charge.

[–] talos@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The Lemmy.world server is owned by the same guy that owns Mastodon.world. Nothing to do with the Lemmy devs. Just mainstream general interest servers.

A lot of big communities are hosted on lemmy.ml. They have influence there.

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[–] A_A@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

(lemmygrad.ml) "funded by the NED"

Must have been stated as sarcasm if Ned is : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democracy
since they are fighting specifically against this kind of United States's actions.

[–] DudePluto@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean regardless of the devs' opinions they are forwarding the democratization of information by working on this project

[–] A_A@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I agree with you yet I was not completely clear : I meant to say that lemmygrad.ml are fighting USA's stance

This is some really McCarthyism here.

Stop being lame, my dude.

[–] archy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You are amazing! Thanks for the time spent on OSINT

If this is OSINT call me the CIA (slight /s)

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[–] kinther@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow, this is a lot to digest. Thank you for putting this all together.

[–] ChaosAD@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@dessalines@lemmy.ml is /u/parentis_shotgun on Reddit. Source: https://archive.is/Ky9vd

  1. There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.

  2. Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?

[–] Nadya@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seeing as you're spamming this reply - I'll go ahead and spam my response to it.

Since you didn't notice that in that post /u/parentis_shotgun claims to have made Jerboa and links to it - which links to github.com/dessalines/jerboa - you're not very observant so I'll provide you with some alternative posts as evidence.

Step 1) Visit /u/parentis_shotgun's profile

Step 2) Old PgDn to load some posts. Find the one that says nothing but "Yes" on it. This post specifically.

Step 3) Click Context to see which question it is answering

Step 4) Read the question: "Wait a second, are you the same dessalines that narrated my The State and Revolution by Lenin and Fascism: What it is and how to fight it by Trotsky?"

Step 5) See /u/parentis_shotgun's response: "Yes."

"Misinformation".

Ask yourself: What exactly do you get out of defending Tankies?

Alternative route #1: Find parentis_shotgun's post about creating thumb-key - a privacy-conscious Android keyboard made for your thumbs. Notice it links to a Github profile for dessalines.

Alternative route #2: Find this post where they keep their "communist 101s" on dessalines.github.io/essays/

lol you are being just pathetic.

[–] ChaosAD@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

@dessalines@lemmy.ml is /u/parentis_shotgun on Reddit. Source: https://archive.is/Ky9vd

  1. There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.

  2. What are you gaining from spreading misinformation, or trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?

What happened in this thread lol, complete change in retoric and basically only posted about programming afterwards https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialistRA/comments/y2rzhg/interview_with_anarchocommunist_combat/is5kna7/

another mod said that @muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml is funded by the NED. Source: https://archive.is/G5Dh7

lmao you actually believe that us joking around that we're being funded by the NED is evidence that muad'dibber is funded by them?

For your information the NED is a CIA front created by an Act of Congress, it's a tool of regime change established after the CIA lost their capabilities to simply go change presidents in other countries in the 60s-70s.

The running joke on Lemmygrad is that we're all feds. You're wayyy out of your depth lol

This is ridiculous. If you ant helping get the hell out!

[–] kestrel7@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I believe those people saying lemmy is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy were being sarcastic. Thanks for rounding this up though, I appreciate people who do the due diligence.

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