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ROUND 5: ๐ธ๐ฆ Saudi Arabia
FORMULA 1 STC SAUDI ARABIAN GRAND PRIX 2025
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I'm going to say the same thing I said last year when all the Norris fans (or Max haters) were salty that Norris got a 5 second penalty for overtaking Max off track when Max was the one who pushed him off. Back then I said Norris should've given the position back and made a case that Max didn't leave him space which is why he had to go off track. And I think the same applies here, Max should've given the position back and made a case that Piastri didn't leave him room to do anything else. Because let's face it, Piastri didn't leave him space. Piastri barely stayed within the lines and had he also gone off Max wouldn't have received a penalty. But Max did end up overtaking Piastri off track and he stubbornly refused to give the position back so he deserved the penalty.
On a sidenote, I do find it funny how Piastri pulls a Verstappen-esque move on Verstappen and everyone still puts all the blame on Verstappen. I guess it's okay to make moves like that if you're not named Max Verstappen.
I don't think it is an issue of blaming Max. Just that max shouldn't be so bitchy for having his own move pulled on him. Piastri did nothing wrong today. The only thing max did wrong was not give the place back.
Max didn't make the corner in COTA.
Piastri made corner in Jeddah.
You said it, but don't seem to realise the implications.
Hypothetically, if Piastri also had gone off would you put the blame on Piastri?
So like Max and Lando at COTA...
Lando shouldn't have been penalized for leaving the track in that case, but if they both leave that's it, but eventually that one (if Lando was more along side) could be called forcing abother driver off the track if they had the balls to call it.
So literally what I said?
Lando should've given his position back because if he believed Max was in the wrong (and because some people can't be normal I have to explicitly mention Max was in the wrong) then Max should get penalized. He didn't give the position back and got penalized himself. Same thing with Max. If Max believed Piastri left him no space then he should've given the position back because if Piastri was in the wrong he should get penalized. Max didn't give the position back and got penalized himself.
The sidenote wasn't about the exact same move that Max did in COTA, it was about the fact that Piastri did was Verstappen has done multiple times. Every time Verstappen does something like that people come out in droves to complain about the move. But now that it was Piastri you don't see 10 different commenters on what a scummy move it was, instead anyone critical of the move gets downvoted. My sidenote wasn't a defense of Max (nor is it an attack on Piastri because I don't have an issue with moves like that). It was a jab at all the Max haters who like to think they're being fair and standing against scummy moves when really they complain only when Max is the one making the move.
Unlike Max though, they don't let off the brake pedal to be "side by side" they are genuinely there... This is another part of the equation that doesn't get factored in.
If Max doesn't let off the brakes, he doesn't even look in contention for the corner at all (clearly behind) but since he does let it off, he cannot make the corner. Choose 1 - make the corner or don't let off brakes.
If that helps you sleep, go ahead and don't continue reading.
But if you look at how Piastri took the corner in the quali vs how he took it in the race it's pretty clear he deliberately ran wide. Why would he run wide and compromise the exit of T2 if he thought Max would never make the corner? Maybe his post race interview gives a hint, where he explicitly states "if it was roles reversed it probably would've looked identical". It's almost as if Piastri knew he couldn't leave Max any space because Max would make use of that space the same way he would've used that space if the roles were reversed and Max had left him space. I wonder who is more right? A random F1 viewer on Lemmy stating Max would've have made the corner, or Max (who decided to try to take the corner) and Piastri (who clearly cut him off to make sure he couldn't make the corner) thinking he would've made the corner. Definitely a tough choice here.
Oh and thank you for proving my point about how it's always Max's fault.
I think the ruling is that he doesn't need to leave space cuz max wouldn't have made the corner at that speed if he left him space. It's basically cancelling the alongside-ness since the move wouldn't stick.
I had zero problem with the move this, last, or any time. I think it probably was worth giving back right away but he handled the penalty really really well and was in contention anyway
From his driver cam it looks like he probably could've made the corner if Piastri had left space. But I'm not trying to defend one or another as I also have no issue with what happened. Piastri did what Max would've done and Max got a taste of his own medicine.
I think this season is going to be an interesting championship fight between Piastri and Verstappen.