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[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Putin has said he wants Ukraine to drop its ambitions to join NATO, Russia to control the entirety of four Ukrainian regions it has claimed as its own, and the size of the Ukrainian army to be limited. Kyiv says those demands are tantamount to demanding its capitulation.

Well, if I recall correctly, the original terms at the beginning of the war were significantly more favourable: Ukraine could pursue EU membership with no pushback, No NATO, and I don't even think Russia was going to absorb the eastern territories back then, just that they either had autonomy or whatever they wanted (maybe there were calls for more negotiations on that front but I cannot remember).

But this is what happens when you continue the war and even threaten to “make Russia small again” (Zelenskyy wore a shirt with that statement), the terms have changed after all this time, too much goodwill has been squandered. No way was Russia just going to take it on the chin and roll over. It makes me incredibly sad but what did anyone expect?

Edit: also, don't those territories want to join Russia now? I believe initially they were only looking for autonomy, but after years of bombings and protection from Russia they’d rather be absorbed now. I could be entirely wrong of course.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

This is the key question liberals have to answer. How is Ukraine better off after three years of war than it would've been if they took the deal two week in.