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I love Linux, but it isn't ready.
Two weeks ago my side mouse buttons started working (they require Logitech software on Windows, wasn't expecting them to work). Last week they stopped. This week they work again.
Is this major? Not at all. Would it drive my mother-in-law into a rage rivaling that of Cocaine Bear? Absolutely. Spare me from the bear, keep Linux for the tinkerers.
This seems more like a logitech issue than a linus issue.
Compatibility problems caused by third parties only targeting Windows are still Linux issues for the end user if they become a problem when they use Linux. It isn't fair but that is the practical reality.
Well, technically, they're 3rd party problems. But I get your point about seeing this from the end-user perspective.
And yeah, it's DEFINITELY not fair
The issue isn't that they didn't work, as I said I wasn't expecting them to when I bought the mouse.
The issue is their behavior has started changing with updates. I don't mind, but I'm a tinkerer. My wife, my MiL, most of my friends, absolutely do not want to deal with an inconsistent computer experience.
Different definitions of 'ready' I guess. Been using primarily Linux for years, so it was 'ready' for me back then - but nothing has changed in the mean time that would change my recommendation for people who just want a boring stable computer.
Was the logitech mouse not supported by libratbag (backend of Piper)?
This sentence alone is why Linux is a hard sell for the average person.
I don't know what defines "the average user", but the average user does not use a mouse that requires proprietary software for its side buttons to work, in my experience.
I agree with you on that one, but since we do not have official support we will have to get by with the hard work of the community.
on windows:
On my linux: Upon first bootup after install I fully expected a nightmare but they all ended up working out of the box.
No downloads
None.
None at all.
No restarts of hardware.
No reboots.
They all just work. All the chifi and chinese tablets. Unlike on "user friendly windows". I haven't used the psu power button once cause linux is more stable.
By this standard, Windows isn't ready either. I use Mint, Windows and Mac interchangeably at work, and of the three, Windows is definitely the one with the most unpleasant surprises: computer slowing down for no apparent reason, printers disappearing, updates forcing you to reboot in the middle of something...
Mac is fantastic if you don't mind feeling like your computer doesn't belong to you.
Yeah. It's not that there's never a surprise on Linux. The interesting thing from about the last year is that the surprises are nicer and less frequent than on Windows.
This user's mouse issue is a hilarious example - is they gained new compatibility, without any effort, but it took a week to settle in.
I've never had something on Windows go wrong that nicely. Lol.
Steam OS is getting us closer as far as gaming goes.
You given bazzite a run on a gaming setup? Works remarkable well
Probably KDE settings can deal with this. At least that worked on mine. Hyprland also has stuff for remapping extra mouse buttons.
What distro are you on? I've been out of Linux for like 3 months now but never had issues with my mouse randomly changing behavior in the year or so prior to that. Whether they work or not is up in the air, but random behavior changes seems like a weird practice
Sounds more like your hardware isn't ready for Linux.
Well this is what we are accusing Microsoft of: Generating e waste, because they don't want to support older hardware.
Microsoft is welcome to open source their kernel and let the hardware manufacturers provide support themselves.
On the other hand, I don't think Linus would refuse to merge Logitech drivers into the kernel.
See the difference?
I am sorry, is your mother in law really buying logitech mouses that specifically require a software to run even on Windows?
Same. I have a Kensington trackball with a decent config and button mapping software in Windows that I will NOT give up. I tried Mint for a few weeks, but it just became too stupidly cumbersome to Google every single thing. Like I wanted to implement the Windows PIN thing for startup on my PC.... Yeah no.
Linux has come a long way but it's not ready for the commoners like me. And a free open source OS probably cannot be developed for the masses without some major funding with a dedicated team.
So back to Win 10, Enterprised with massgrave.
You're getting downvoted because the Linux community can't understand people like us that just want things to work without needing to google everything or paste in random scripts into terminal. Linux is just an OS for tinkerers and not for normies.
KDE has settings for extra mouse buttons. Linux Mint is kind of behind in several areas unfortunately.
If youβre that specific in your requirements, youβre gonna have a bad time. I donβt think Microsoft makes βWindows PINβ for Linux.
As a normie myself, let me translate this to you tech literate nerds.
I think he is basically saying there is a macro software that inputs his pin on his mouse so he doesn't have to constantly input his password.
I can't tell if you're being a pedantic smart ass, or really don't know that Windows allows a 4 digit PIN on their system rather than type in the full password each time. And Linux does not have such a similar feature to simply activate, like Windows Hello. I got tired of typing in the 16 letter and characters password every single time for every single thing after 2 weeks. It's my personal PC on my desk at home, not an office. And I don't know why I should spend money on an ergonomic trackball with special features that works in Windows, and then just throw it out because the manufacturer doesn't support Linux. They don't develop an app because hardly anybody uses Linux in their market. So that's just me and my experience.
Like I said, Linux isn't for common plebs like me and it isn't easy to switch over when expected features that exist in Windows don't exist in Linux. The people that keep saying to switch to Linux here on Lemmy don't seem to understand that the majority of computer users are just like me.
Busted. Pedantic smart ass it is.
That said I think the windows PIN code system is absurdly insecure but β¦ eh you do you.
That's why I specified it's my personal computer at home on my desk. It's in a secure environment, not an office work computer. Obviously a 4 digit PIN is insecure for a password, but it depends doesn't it? Windows Hello doesn't replace the password and 2FA security on my PC itself for my Microsoft account. If it's somehow stolen through a burglary I can easily lock my Microsoft account through my phone to not accept the PIN. It's just a convenience for me at home. And for millions of other users. I wish you all would understand that most computer users are plebs like me, or worse. It's like you IT guys are in a bubble and keep braying that everyone should use Linux.... but can't understand that most people cannot until there are easy to use features like mainstream Windows or MacOS. TBH most people don't care about privacy or security that much too, like regarding the whole Chrome and Firefox debate. Most people watch ads on YouTube and accept it as a fact of life. That's just the way people are. People won't switch to any distro of Linux until it becomes easy, really really easy.
I tried switching to linux like 10 years ago, but then, all the games i played didn't work. I tried switching again a month ago, but my cpu (i honestly don't remember) wasn't compatible. I watched youtube videos for a workaround, and that was way above my paygrade, because i'm worried i'm gonna skullfuck my computer by changing random ini files because a youtuber said so. I tried it on the laptop and i kinda just didn't work either for a diffrent reason. I don't care as much about my laptop, so i'll try again. As much as i hate windows, and i really really do, you hit a button and it's installed.
You sound like the exact person this meme is about... Having installed both windows and Linux each several times in the last 5 years, the process has been significantly easier for Linux every time.
If it's gotten easier in the past week, i'm trying again. But i appreciate the downvotes for trying to swith but not being able to.
I didn't downvote you originally, despite this obvious lie at the end "you hit a button and itβs installed." - just pointing out that you are exactly who the meme is about, lol.
Vague complaints about compatibility issues that don't hold much water (and unable or unwilling to share any details); vaguely complicated solutions, presented as if they are dangerous, from "untrustworthy" sources; and finally claiming windows doesn't have any of that (bet you have no similar concerns about using regedit... and you only follow the advice of official Microsoft Tech Support, right?).
I had no time to even turn on the computer since the post. I assumed i still had the youtube videos saved that were the "fix" to my problem. I really want nothing more to get away from windows. When i tried to swith the first time, i literally had to plug in a usb stick and i was running linux. But that was 4 computers ago. It's not that the sources might be dangerous. Usually when i have computer problems i use youtube, because i can see it, hear it, and replicate it. Usually 2000 videos show up and they all explain the same thing. In this case i found like 4 videos and most of them were pretty old or in 480p or filmed with a mobile phone. Computers are just a hobby to me, all i know about computers, figured out myself. And i don't really understand what the lie is with the windows installer. I used every windows simce 3.1 and i always hated the install process because it's "scary". But the last few times i put in a usb stick and waited and it was done.
Yeah definitely not the cpu, maybe the gpu if it was Nvidia and you weren't on a distro that handles packing the Nvidia proprietary driver
I'm trying to find the error message i got, but i'm 99% sure it's an intel problem. I mean i'm not sure at all, that's what the internet told me.
what's your CPU and GPU? it might help knowing that
what distro(s) did you try?
From what i gathered it doesn't matter what distro is it, it's just not compatible.
it matters. different distros will have different versions of everything, and whatever compatibility problem you had with your CPU (or maybe GPU, since that's more common and you seem to not remember much about it) might not exist in a different version of the kernel or something similar.