I thought it'd be interesting to share this here! This post is from a community event in Reddit Pixel Dungeon that often gathers hundreds of votes, and the event is finally completed just a few days ago. The highest votes on what people think is weak (or boring/lame) is featured in this image, and it's a good way to measure what the community thinks overall.
I'd love to post the huge amount of comments and discussions to Lemmy, but it might be better to just visit the Reddit posts. There's some deep and interesting discussions from the community on why these things suck. The second-worst items that gained significant votes may also be worth looking into: chaotic censer, unstable spell, death mark, magic missile, transfusion, unstable enchant, etc
Regarding Chaotic Censer, I personally think recent updates have made it usable at least. It sucks when it destroys loot and wrecks players in cramped spaces, but the fact that it now shows the gas + direction before it activates, it's a good improvement. At least players won't be at the mercy of RNG deaths and we can adapt to the situation with the tools in our bag.
I'm literally just giving context
That picture gives 0 context, every item on that picture is there only because they got more votes, it doesn't matter how small the margin was, or how many people disagreed.
All that context is missing, which is why just saying these items "suck" or they are "weak" not correct
It's like saying "my comment got more upvotes, therefore I'm right"
Well yeah... that's why the OP recommends to see the posts for the full discussion. But for the most part these items won votes by a wide margin, the only exception I see is vial of blood who barely won against censer 2nd place. Yeah there's some disagreements here and there, but people generally vote the top comments because they agree with their points on why something sucks, and the disagreeing comments have low vote ratio against it. Tbh a lot of the "disagreements" come from you, like on the ring of tenacity post it's honestly impressive how you try to argue against so many people :/ I'm not going to argue on what opinion is "right" or "wrong", but I will say that this image is indeed just a rough idea on what the community thinks
I've also now seen the worst wand post and it looks like you've made even more enemies harassing darkblizzard and even rivlin got annoyed. You really need to calm down and please just let people have fun sharing their opinions
Okay, first of all, stop getting personal for no reason, I don't even know who you are
And "OP" did a horrible job at giving context, that's why I'm commenting in the first place
They said "this is what the community thinks is weak" "there are discussions onwhy these things suck" which are both biased opinions, not context
There are people who disagree, there are people who gave different opinions and you and OP aren't respecting either of them. Just because you think upvotes make a difference doesn't make it so.
Oh I'm respecting people who disagree alright, just today I've been seeing all the posts from this community event, whether it's a popular opinion with 100 votes or the unpopular ones with <5 votes. But what more context do you need? On the tenacity post, people generally says it's the worst because if you break down the maths it's weak compared to other rings. On yog post the top comment says it's the worst boss because it's underwhelming, weak, and boring. If you want the full discussion of course you need to see the posts :/ But yanno what, the more I see these SHPD discussions from these events, the more I realize why so many people dislike you. Vordexxx got angry at you, Dekklin got angry at you, StickOnReddit got angry, the list goes on. You somehow have so much free time to argue every day, it's insane... I'm santaclaws on reddit and I too get pissed at you for trying to attack everyone for having opinions you don't like
You say you respect opinions, but you aren't respecting my opinions.
And you are still throwing out personal attacks, for absolutely no reason.
When have I ever attacked anyone for having a different opinion than me?
As I've said many times, it's not your opinion, it's your attitude. You're free to give your opinions and disagree, but the way you do it is so disrespectful and you'd always twist words to make people look bad, and argue people to death... Like on those worst wand posts, you've been trying to argue every single time and people have told you to leave them the hell alone. Tbh, after seeing this lemmy post today, I just wanted to see the rivlin posts afterwards and have fun. But then I saw you arguing everywhere on those reddit posts, and now you're here too trying to dismiss and shut down this discussion, and I had to say something
Disrespectful how exactly? How do I twist people's words?
Do you know the difference between an argument and a discussion?
You think everything I say is an argument
I'm not trying to shut down this discussion, I only said I was giving context, and you took that as an attack
Yeah you're just gonna keep doubling down and never self-reflect. Think man, why did people block you on reddit? Why did people tell you to leave them alone? You discuss in such a harassing, dismissive way. And by twisting words you keep changing their meaning to counterargue easier... here on lemmy you did that too with the warrior discussion back then, and smear people to look bad. It seems like ever since rivlin announced the event, you've been trying to shut down the event on reddit by saying "this is just asking for trouble", "this is rigged", and you keep telling people that they have controversial opinions for saying corruption wand, tenacity is the worst... but then you went ahead and say exp potion is somehow the worst potion. It's like you're addicted to being a contrarian and wants to prevent the unpopular items from getting improved at all costs
I literally don't do any of those things
First of all, I could care less why people block me, they don't need to give a reason
I really don't know what your problem is, but no one is telling me to leave them alone, I'm not harassing or dismissing anyone.
I don't know what warrior discussion you are talking about, it's been so long since I've even been on Lemmy.
And Rivlin's concept was problematic, becaue labeling stuff as "the worst" is going to end up offending anyone who likes those parts of the game. And upvotes favoring "experienced" players, made the whole tournament "rigged". Which also is another reason I wrote this comment, so people can actually have an incentive to look at the full picture instead of looking at the original post and misinterpreting it as "all this stuff must suck because the whole community agreed on it". Well it doesn't, not everyone agreed on everything
And the last bit just tells me you have a problem with my opinions, I'm not contrarian, I do have reasons for liking the stuff that I do, and that's okay, it's my opinion that I never forced upon anyone
This is the problem, you don't care about what others think... And do I need to screenshot everything? You might not think you're being harassing or dismissive or twisting words, but everyone sure as hell think so
Most recently, darkblizzard2215 told you "wow cautiousday can you f***ing leave me alone?". You can search it if you somehow forgot, unless you deleted your comments
stickonreddit says to you "I don't much care for dealing with people that intentionally misread things and you're already insufferable in the Discord server so let's just call it here"
Vordexxx says to you "My bad, I'm sorry you haven't read the first comment I did. I'm truly sorry for your reading comprehension. My 1st comment is my point and you're leading me away from it."
Search "hero tierlist" on lemmy and I can see you're being harassing and twisting words yet again. Then some days later you gaslit new members on lemmy by saying "Butt of the jokes where? I don’t ever see anything negative about the warrior". This makes it hard for new members to join here
You claim that you don't force your opinions on anyone, and yet everytime someone says something bad about warrior or tenacity ring or trinkets... you'd jump in to try to argue as much as you can. Most recently, Dekklin replied to you "Oh, it's you again. I told you, as have many others, you're not convincing anyone with that and I'm not going to debate it."
This has been going on for a long time, you said you had to leave r/pixeldungeon and now you're making enemies on r/shatteredpd too. Yes, people should look at the full picture, there are some disagreements, but in a democracy the majority opinion should take effect, not the minority unpopular disagreements (you mostly). Why are you so offended when people criticize the game, it's all for improvement
I do care what other people think. I don't care if they block me. Blocking is a good way to disingage if you disagree with someone on everything.
The dark blizzard situation was an outlier, that response from them came out of nowhere. However my comment for them was justified, the tournament was skewed towards certain people, half the people weren't having their opinions heard
The stickonreddit situation was a misunderstanding, as they confused me with someone from the discord, and I don't use discord
The vordex situation was also an outlier, as i couldn't figure out what they were talking about and they refused to explain
The hero tier list situation, was actually an argument, but it's because an opinion I strongly have. And was not aggressive and it was not done in a harassing way, so I don't know why you thought it was
Every time someone says anything about warrior or tenacity, I discuss, I don't argue. Most of the time people have misconceptions about them, especially tenacity.
The r/pixeldungeon situation actually was not like this situation at all. There were people actively harassing me for their "personal enjoyment" which escalated to them actually taking it too far, which should never happen for having personal opinions, even with arguments.
Lastly, I'm not opposed to criticism, I'm opposed to some of other people's criticism, which is fine.
No, it didn't came out of nowhere. You've been trying to dismiss blizzard's opinions every time he posts, so of course he snapped... As for stick and vordex, the main issue is that you're either changing or dismissing the meaning of their words, and this happens a lot even here on lemmy. And then you continue to stalk people like dekklin who is getting tired of being "discussed" to death. Just let people say their opinion without you always butting in, please. People will eventually gang up on you if you keep trying to "discuss" aggresively. I'm also getting tired of seeing you harassing everyone everywhere :/ you might not think so, but there's a good reason why people on r/pixeldungeon decide to harass you back. But nah, "everyone else is wrong, not me"
No, it did come out of nowhere, I had only disagreed with one of their points before that, which is the stewed meat vs raw meat
And I don't diminish or change anything, why do you get that impression
I have no idea who dekklin is, so I don't know why you think I stalk anyone.
And you telling me to stop butting in. No, I won't stop. It's a community, I'm allowed to interact. If you personally don't like me, block me
Don't try to justify what people did on rpixeldungeon.
Man just check the worst ring posts if you somehow forgot. But yeah, keep butting in and angering people I guess.... I rest my case
I also got harassed by him many months ago when I criticized the old salt cube, clover trinket and warrior. It makes it hard to talk about these things when you know he will appear every time you talk about these, and it's annoying to see that he's on Lemmy too. Best to just downvote and ignore him. On another note I'm loving the new clover trinket update!
Giving different opinions is not harassment.
Just downvoting everything I say, is one of the reasons a tournament like this doesn't work, and why it needs more context.
Straight up downvoting and ignoring, skews the result when the tournament is about upvotes