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Am in the only one who cringes at install instructions that require piping some curl output into bash? (programming.dev)

submitted 2 days ago by cschreib@programming.dev to c/linux@programming.dev

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curl https://some-url/ | sh

I see this all over the place nowadays, even in communities that, I would think, should be security conscious. How is that safe? What's stopping the downloaded script from wiping my home directory? If you use this, how can you feel comfortable?

I understand that we have the same problems with the installed application, even if it was downloaded and installed manually. But I feel the bar for making a mistake in a shell script is much lower than in whatever language the main application is written. Don't we have something better than "sh" for this? Something with less power to do harm?

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[–] thomask@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

So tell me: if I download and run a bash script over https, or a .deb file over https and then install it, why is the former a "security nightmare" and the latter not?

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Both are a security nightmare, if you're not verifying the signature.

You should verify the signature of all things you download before running it. Be it a bash script or a .deb file or a .AppImage or to-be-compiled sourcecode.

Best thing is to just use your Repo's package manager. Apt will not run anything that isn't properly signed by a package team members release PGP key.

[–] thomask@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I have to assume that we're in this situation because because the app does not exist in our distro's repo (or homebrew or whatever else). So how do you go about this verification? You need a trusted public key, right? You wouldn't happen to be downloading that from the same website that you're worried might be sending you compromised scripts or binaries? You wouldn't happen to be downloading the key from a public keyserver and assuming it belongs to the person whose name is on it?

This is such a ridiculously high bar to avert a "security nightmare". Regular users will be better off ignoring such esoteric suggestions and just looking for lots of stars on GitHub.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

No, you download the key from many distinct domains and verify it matches before TOFU

[–] thomask@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 hours ago

Ah yes, so straightforward.

[–] rocky_patriot@programming.dev 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

For example: A compromised host could detect whether you are downloading the script or piping it.

[–] thomask@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 hours ago

I'm confident that if the host is compromised I'm screwed regardless.