this post was submitted on 12 Mar 2025
803 points (97.1% liked)

Microblog Memes

6943 readers
1389 users here now

A place to share screenshots of Microblog posts, whether from Mastodon, tumblr, ~~Twitter~~ X, KBin, Threads or elsewhere.

Created as an evolution of White People Twitter and other tweet-capture subreddits.

Rules:

  1. Please put at least one word relevant to the post in the post title.
  2. Be nice.
  3. No advertising, brand promotion or guerilla marketing.
  4. Posters are encouraged to link to the toot or tweet etc in the description of posts.

Related communities:

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] o1011o@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Do you understand the difference between capitalism and commerce? Using money for trade isn't what makes capitalism what it is. Capitalism is, from wikipedia, "An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development occurs through the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market" Capitalism means that I can own something I have nothing to do with and you have to pay me for the privilege of using it. When that thing is housing or food or medicine then I own you unless you want to die.

Capitalism means taking from the worker and giving to the 'owner'. The problem is that work is real and ownership is a made up concept.

The more you learn about it the more you'll understand how evil it is, I promise.

[–] RaptorBenn@lemmy.world -4 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

I think your whole first paragraph is just posturing, maybe i did speak incorrectly, i dont care.

In your economic system, if I make a machine that makes something, and sell it to a guy, what happens to that machine if what it makes is important or valuable?

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Your question doesn't make sense. Try rewriting it a little clearer.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

How are you making your machine? Does it literally create something from nothing? Why would what it creates have any value if it can be infinitely easily produced, even if important? If it obeys the laws of physics, why would you be able to compete with large, mass scale industry as a single person?

Your question largely doesn't make any sense.

[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Hello, different person here. It's understandable that you're confused by this tbh, but there are real proposals.

Broadly, there are two basic suggestions:

  1. All businesses would be nationalised. You would develop the machine as part of your job, or sell the rights to the government.
  2. There are still independent businesses like now, but they're controlled by the people that work and use them. As a Kingdom is to a Democracy, an Owned Company is to a Participatory Company (Communists call them cooperatives, Corporatists call them corporations). The former country/company is controlled by the people that own it, whereas the latter is controlled by the people that are affected by its decisions (at least in theory). In real life people don't really buy manufacturing machines, they do it through a company. So your sale would be the same, it'd just be to a different kind of company.

It's not one or the other and they're often combined.

It isn't fair for a king to control an army and do what he likes with it, that's dangerous. The army has to be controlled by the people of the nation. But, if you and your friends want to privately own guns, that's fine. So long as you aren't organising into a militia, it does little harm.

Critics say, likewise: if your machine is small, who cares. But if it's sufficiently powerful, if it could concentrate wealth and power in your hands, create mass unemployment (maybe even allow you to wield military): that's harm. A machine like that should be controlled by the people.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Hey, comrade, good comment! I want to offer that in my experience, Principles of Communism is clearer and more concise than the Manifesto, for someone entirely unaware. I also have an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list I keep for easy sharing.

[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

ok commie

Yeah idk I removed those because it's not a very good introductory text imo.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't really get it, are you calling me a commie in a deragatory way and downvoting me after you tried to spread Communist theory? I'm confused.

[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm some kinda new-wave radical centrist, can't call myself one after reading your big book. I believe in a lot of the criticisms and measures, but I think LTV & Vanguardism are the literal dumbest shit ever. But good luck with them, and thanks for taking an interest.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

What's wrong with Marx's Law of Value, and what's wrong with the concept of a Vanguard? What "big book" are you referring to, Capital, or the Manifesto of the Communist Party?