Yeah, I'm willing to draw the line in the sand there. Equality in the face of nobility (i.e. class vs race based discrimination) is more fair and equal than the view espoused by our founding fathers. But all caste systems have always been bad. Universally. And no matter the culture or time period with this idea, you'll find a loud minority or a large majority of people that disagree with the caste system in place.

Because that's how they work, a minority can only benefit, and are the only ones that need it to work, so the less stratified they are the more people are against it but are rendered powerless by the system in place.

Every human that didn't believe in equality, and by that I just mean that all humans are human, is a bad person.

For fucks sake orangutans got their name because we as a species treated them as human at one point. If we can do that to a fucking monkey there's no epiphany needed to do it to actual humans.

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago

Your prose belies your ideology, which indicates said ideology depends on defining those who don't fulfill said ideology as sub-human. So far, most responses have been attempts to indirectly assert that the idea that people who were wrong about some things cannot possibly have been right about anything (and by the way, any who think otherwise are just as horrible).

I am quite aware there is nothing i could possibly say to get anybody to address the actual issue i raised, never mind "win" a debate over it.