I've seen many threads suggesting products but they often don't mention FOSS projects, which should always be preferred to corporate software. With FOSS you are already boycotting capitalism, on either side. Free and Open Source ignores borders and shouldn't be categorized in nationalist terms, no matter where some of the maintainers happen to live.

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[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 45 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Seeing people look for corporate social media alternatives is painful.

[–] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I agree, but am happy that X is losing users to Bluesky, so I don't try to convert friends and family from Bluesky to Masrodon. I'd rather they start changing other stuff instead that is easier.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 0 points 4 hours ago

Oh definitely, Bluesky is far better than twitter. Honestly, seeing the fediverse piss itself over bluesky is annoying, because the alternative is people still on twitter.

[–] chebra@mstdn.io 40 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

@Irelephant

> "Hey guys, I want to leave X, should I go to Bluesky or Threads? What? Mastodon? Never heard of that. Looks very complicated, I'll pass"
> -- CEO, founder, IT wizz on LinkedIn

Every time!

[–] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Or the classic "guys I am leaving WhatsApp, moved my whole family to Signal, another centralized US-based silo that requires phone numbers and runs on AWS, CloudFlare, etc."

[–] tkr@jlai.lu 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

we're not classic, we're advanced nerds engineers : signal is one church without any interoperability, so we've moved to both SIP and XMPP variants using differents provider in the family : everything is decentralized, exactly like email (we dont use gafam ones). It's not that hard to enjoy xmpp, and really decentralized tools, a bit like for SIP (we have several Voip providers here).

[–] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

I like SIP and XMPP, but in practice I don't have any contacts to use it and the apps are lacking a bit compared to ArcaneChat/DeltaChat, besides the problem of losing groups because the XMPP server went down etc. there are some downsides but yes, if I was not satisfied with ArcaneChat I would use XMPP and SIP, or anything that is open source, decentralized and doesn't require a phone number

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Signal: over a decade of leaking nothing and providing a great service for free, with some weird hiccups along the way like cryptocurrency.

Privacy "advocates": fuck signal

[–] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 hours ago

if they leaked something you wouldn't know because US government law doesn't allow them to disclose if they requested data.
uses AWS servers that also the gov could ask for access to Amazon directly without even talking to Signal, being centralized and depending on AWS infra is also a weakness.
needing phone numbers to register, often tied to passport and it is super easy to get your whole network when compromising 1 device
all centralized services start nice, attracting users, once they have you, and money starts being a problem.... meet: enshitification

[–] qpsLCV5@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

i mean.. it is massively better, but yes it still sucks. but what do you move friends and family to? last i looked into element it was not an option for several reasons, and i don't think anyone would switch to basically noname apps like simplex or similar, even if they might be decent solutions. i really want the last few contacts i have on whatsapp to move, but i'm not gonna push hard to get them to use signal just to get it enshittified in the near future. also a few switched to telegram, which while not facebook, is not really better mainly because it doesn't even e2ee by default.

[–] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I moved my whole family since years to Delta Chat, eventually started contributing to the project and even created my own fork that is what my family is using, see: https://lemmy.ml/post/26007254

[–] tkr@jlai.lu 1 points 3 hours ago

i huge recommend both SIP + XMPP software :)

[–] thejevans@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

ArcaneChat is dope. I'm testing it out with my partner right now. The built-in Jitsi button is super helpful. My extended family (about 30 people) switched over to signal a few years ago, so there is some inertia there, but for any new chats, DeltaChat (and ArcaneChat for Android users) is what I'm going to push for.

[–] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

Nice! 🤩

[–] EySkibidiBabBab@feddit.dk 1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

What's the reasons against Element :)? Currently testing it with some friends of mine, before trying to lure my family on it instead of iMessage. So would be interested in why you don't think it's feasible.

[–] tkr@jlai.lu 1 points 3 hours ago

tons of reasons against element :

-huge/heavy interface on both web/software client

-2 passwords, 1 for session, 1 for encryption keys

-takes huge storage on server

-it's the whatsapp of OSS

here it is :

https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp/

https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/matrix/gedanken/

https://gultsch.social/@daniel/113849961515845876

[–] chebra@mstdn.io 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

@EySkibidiBabBab Element? That's just one of the apps, and frankly, not the best one. You are looking for Matrix. For android I'd recommend FluffyChat, for desktop/web Cinny. For iOS I'd recommend throwing it to a lake.

[–] EySkibidiBabBab@feddit.dk 5 points 7 hours ago

Element?

Element! :D

I'm fully aware of the relationship between Matrix and Element as well as alternative clients existing. I actually find it kinda hard to communicate about. Whenever i say something like "i sent you a link on Matrix" the few people i use Matrix with get confused. People are used to referring to app/client-names: fb messenger, outlook, iMessage (even if i'm sending an sms) and not the underlying technology.

I've tried explaining it like email - you can register an email somewhere and access it through several email clients. But i mean, people who's not as much into software as i (and i suspect you as well due to your fine recommendations) -- and still refers to their email as "outlook" -- they can have a hard time wrapping their head around that relationship. An app is just an app... Right?

The reason i referred to it as "element" in my comment, was because the comment i replied to referred to it as Element tho.