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Mozilla has just deleted the following:

“Does Firefox sell your personal data?”

“Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. "

Source: Lundke journal.

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[–] teri@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If everybody would as a consequence use Librewolf, Mozilla would be forced to change minds.

[–] towelie@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The LibreWolf Debian repository was down all of last week. I peeked over at their forum and it looks like the team is really struggling to maintain the project since a key member left. Its struggles to keep up with security updates is why its no longer being recommended by Privacy Guides. I'm trying out Mullvad browser right now to see how it fairs

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Hey can you link me to a source where it shows that privacy guides doesn't recommend it due to security updates slowing down? I cannot find it.

I was going to use mullvad browser instead, however it wants you to use DoH. If you turn it off, you're now fingerprintable. This is rough since i use network filter tools and it'll bypass it if i use doh. So i was gonna try librewolf.

[–] towelie@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Here's the forum discussion on including Librewolf as a recommended browser:

https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/librewolf-browser-firefox-fork/148

It's quite long as the topic has been open since 2022; all other posts about Librewolf are closed by mods and the discussion is redirected here.

Thanks. I looked through this and a few threads. It seems like they did lose a key member. But it also seems like they've kept up with Firefox security updates, which is the most important part. It's still concerning though but it seems perfectly fine to use. What do you think?

As for mullvad browser, like i said, I'd use that but unfortunately I can't use DoH which is rhe default in that browser. It will bypass my network filtering.

[–] teri@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 days ago

Oh no, that's sad to hear. Society really needs to start doing more clever decisions. A project like Librewolf could be so incredibly useful for most of people. Somehow should find a way to foster those efforts.

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is it on Android with ublock?

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

No, you want the fork of Mull called Ironfox https://gitlab.com/ironfox-oss/IronFox

Droid-ify just added it to their list of repos in the latest update

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

In addition to this, can I use my other plugins with it, including side loaded ones? And sync my ff profile with it? I am not okay with having my data used for any reason other than the intended function of the app, and I use ff android a lot.

[–] stray@pawb.social 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Does LibreWolf not have a mobile client? The ability to sync with my desktop will unfortunately keep me on Firefox, unless I'm just missing it.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago

no it doesnt, use fennec, or ironfox.

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is where not understanding how to use GitHub becomes a problem for me

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can use Obtanium to pull from Github, Gitlab, and a few others, it has a search function. So you can search 'Ironfox' and it will find it on Gitlab, then Obtanium will ask if you want to install it.

Obtanium is available on F-Droid, or from Github...

https://github.com/ImranR98/Obtainium

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

i have obtanium, but the searches is not finding anything? is there a mehtod of using it, im not a techie person. i was able to somehow download it from the github under app-arm64-v8a-fdroid-release.apk list?

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago

When you go to "Add app" you can either add the direct URL (if you know it) or the next option down is "search". When you tap search it takes you to another page that says "select source" and has check boxes for Github, Gitlab, etc. Make sure they are ticked then tap "select 4".

When it follow those steps I see results from multiple sources.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Usually you want to look for the “releases” tab.

Here.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nods knowingly, oh yeah these are some links alright

[–] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Apk is a package file, grab the one that matches the architecture of your device, probably the arm64 one unless you know otherwise.

They have an f-droid repo on the main page, would recommend installing that way

[–] stray@pawb.social 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

GitHub is so effing confusing, I can't even. You'd think I'd get the hang of it as often as I need to use it. I feel like UIs for the last like 20 years just get harder and harder for me to follow as everything is condensed into wordless little icons and countless images tile across my screen.

[–] TechLich@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was thinking the same thing but then I realised that 20 years ago, most software UI was completely built from even tinier wordless images crammed into obtuse tiny buttons or hidden options in nested drop-down menus but we didn't really have much trouble with it back then. Maybe we're all just getting old and our brains don't want to learn new things anymore. Curse you lack of neuroplasticity!

image of Microsoft Word 97 with tiny image icon buttons

image of an advertisement for Gimp (the GNU Image manipulation program) in the 90s with tiny image icon buttons

image of MOSAIC browser from the 90s with tiny image icon buttons

image of Netscape Navigator web browser from the 90s with tiny image icon buttons

image of Firefox web browser 1.0 from 2004 using image icon buttons

Images not mine but shamelessly stolen from a web search.

[–] stray@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

Nested drop-down menus are exactly what I miss though. In most of your screenshots there are text menus and little icons that are duplicates of menu options. I love that design, especially because I recall most programs allowing you to customize the menu bars so that you could hide whichever ones you didn't like. Little icons only is okay on desktop because you can hover over them to get more info, but on mobile your only option is to tap them.

Another feature I've been reminded of is keyboard shortcuts which can be referenced in the drop-down menus, but are otherwise not taking up any screen space at all. I love that design for people who can use it, but for myself, if the button isn't on the screen as an option, I forget it exists. This is a huge problem for me as gestures take over things, particularly on Apple products. There's no scroll bar or right click on the laptop mice; you have to use multiple fingers. And on ipads you have to double-press the one button instead of just having a hamburger button, which is a nightmare for me because I often just hold it in or end up hitting it three times. At least on Android you have the option of gestures and buttons to customize as you like.

Gimp has never not been confusing as fuck, but I think that's probably due to me not having any education in image editors in the first place. I'm lucky I can work with layers.

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I copied this from my other reply in case you don't see it

You can use Obtanium to pull from Github, Gitlab, and a few others, it has a search function. So you can search 'Ironfox' and it will find it on Gitlab, then Obtanium will ask if you want to install it.

Obtanium is available on F-Droid, or from Github...

https://github.com/ImranR98/Obtainium

[–] stray@pawb.social 2 points 2 days ago