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Okay, this is not an iPhone vs Android Phone debate. I respect your right to choose whichever platform that you want.


I mean, iPhone seems so antithetical with the idea of freedom. You have to connect it to a server to even use it, all apps have to go through a centralized server, no option to install whatever apps you want, which means, you literally cannot have any third-party apps without an online account.

Most of my fellow americans seems to love the idea of freedom so much, yet just buy into a closed ecosystem with no freedom? 🤔

Like almost 60% of Americans use iPhone, kinda weird to preach freedom when you cant even have an app without a corporation's approval. If it were any other country, I wouldn't find it weird, but for a country that's obsessed with the idea of freedom (so much so that they disobeyed mask mandates), it's really weird to be using a device with zero freedom.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

Conspicuous consumption.

Americans have been propagandized by Apple advertising into thinking Apple products are "high class."

Ask yourself: Why does anyone wear a Rolex?

It boils down to the same thing, showing people your wealth and thus "social value" (barf) via conspicuous consumption.

If it wasn't conspicuous consumption, why would US people literally judge potential dating partners on what kind of phone they use?

Example: https://www.latimes.com/archives/blogs/technology-blog/story/2008-08-07/apple-removes-1-000-featureless-iphone-application

Its function is exactly what the name implies: to alert people that you have money in the bank. I Am Rich was available for purchase from the phone’s App Store for, get this, $999.99 -- the highest amount a developer can charge through the digital retailer, said Armin Heinrich, the program’s developer. Once downloaded, it doesn’t do much -- a red icon sits on the iPhone home screen like any other application, with the subtext ‘I Am Rich.’ Once activated, it treats the user to a large, glowing gem (pictured above). That’s about it. For a thousand dollars.

This was barely a year after the original iPhone's release. The attitude toward Apple products has persisted ever since.

[–] artificialfish@programming.dev 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I hate to say it, the reason people choose dating partners on phone use is because of blue texts on iMessage. that’s the only reason. Apple was brilliant pitching that as an Android problem instead of playing fair and working on an open standard since day 1. Dragged their feet for years.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I still find this hard to believe. It’s just a visual indicator whether the conversation is encrypted or not, but who would actually judge partners with this.

When I checked with my kids, since we know teenagers can be very shallow bullies, they said there is some light teasing but it was really started by online crap like this. Not even teenagers care. I mean, they don’t usually use iMessages anyway, so many probably never noticed.

“Blue texts” is a fake issue. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was started as a prank, or by Google, and no one cared until it was all over the internet

[–] artificialfish@programming.dev 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

It’s not just a visual indication of if it’s encrypted. SMS sucks, truly, compared to apps like iMessage, WhatsApp, etc. so it’s actually annoying to message people with green text. Now that Apple does RCS it’s not a big deal, but in the USA there’s no default internet messaging app like WhatsApp, and to the extent that there is one it’s iMessage.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

SMS is default texting for all phones of all types all providers in the US. Its main advantage is ubiquity and it is the only ubiquitous text protocol. SMS was always owned by cell providers.

While I also am disappointed that ubiquitous text protocol owned by cell providers never progressed, can’t blame Apple for that. They could have used their influence to push harder but bottom line is the change needed to be at cell providers. They may also have seen that even Google with all its influence wasn’t able to make it happen (without taking it proprietary, owning it, centralizing it).

But let me ask this: what other texting provider includes a fallback to incorporate texters outside their network? At all? Does WhatsApp include users of iMessage? SMS? RCS?

[–] artificialfish@programming.dev 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

You can literally blame Apple for that, because that standard did progress, and they did not incorporate it into their default messaging app for years due to anticompetitive marketing practices. To compare the responsibilities of a default and only (since you can’t sidecar on iPhone) text messaging app on a phone with 50% market share with a third party app is bad faith. Even then, WhatsApp and others were cross platform, not hardware dependent.

Did you just reverse your position? I’m confused. Do you think the blue bubbles are more than encryption or not? Do you think people care about them or not? Do you think Apple is a bad faith participant in that issue or not?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 18 minutes ago* (last edited 16 minutes ago)

Different bubbles are a visual indicator whether the messages are encrypted.

Apple is a good faith participant in that they support a fallback to the texting standard supported by every mobile vendor.

It’s not bad faith on my part when you brought up WhatsApp. Sure they don’t have blue but bubbles, but that’s because they don’t support an open standard at all, they don’t have an inclusive mode at all, they only support their own users on their own proprietary protocol.

Most importantly I don’t see how it’s Apple’s responsibility to push mobile vendors to modernize. Blame them if vendors were modernizing and they pushed back, however, no, there was no progress. It’s irrelevant if the standard is evolving but no one supports it and this whole thing on,y works if mobile vendors support it

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Conspicuous consumption doesn’t really hold in this case because the alternative is around the same price.

I’d also question any claim about the dating partner. Maybe a study said it has an impact, but I doubt it’s a strong impact on evaluation of a potential partner. By all means, I’d love to see the source for that

You also cite an example of what was basically a meme. Literally nobody bought that app (and iirc those who were tricked got their money back)

[–] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 7 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

the alternative is around the same price

You know that's not true.

There are stupidly expensive Android flagships, but there are also a lot of phones for a fraction of the price.

And the phones that cost a fraction of the price are significantly slower, have a much worse screen, barely get any software updates, and overall just kinda suck.

Sure low and mid range phones are "good enough" but if it's a device you use for hours every day do you really only want "good enough" for right now?

[–] CthuluVoIP@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

But those inexpensive phones most often don’t deliver a comparable device experience to the flagship devices. Honestly, this is the crux of things. Comparing iPhone to “Android” is a fool’s errand. Apple often only has one more budget conscious model available explicitly. But OS support tends to last longer on Apple devices, so multiple model years are viable at once.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

https://web.archive.org/web/20241008034217/https://nypost.com/2024/10/07/lifestyle/are-iphone-users-petty-youll-be-surprised-how-many-wont-date-android-fans-survey/

The different colored texts in iMessage and forced downgrade of any MMS sent via an Android is part of that perception by iPhone users that Android's are inferior devices, even if they cost similarly.

Apple refused to implement RCS until very recently. Not saying Google is better in terms of RCS, they have their own issues, this is just about how Apple has leveraged iMessage to the end of people viewing it as a "higher class' device than Android.

All the sleek white design was a part of that too. People thought it looked futuristic/costly and the rest of the industry tried to copy their design philosophy due to that. You can't deny that Apple devices look classy. Apple didn't pay Jony Ive an absolute fuckton of money per year for nothing.

[–] Oisteink@feddit.nl -1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

It about not beeimg sold as the product. Its about using the browser that dont rat you out

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

But iphones can't use Firefox with uBlockOrigin and NoScript

[–] Oisteink@feddit.nl 1 points 11 hours ago

True. I run this on an android tablet, but firefox misses my usability needs. So i end up on safari more often than not

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 16 hours ago

That means Apple's advertising is working if you actually believe they care about your privacy.