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since nobody has given an explanation yet I'll try to, however I am horrible with getting my words out and someone else can give a way better explanation than me.
Most trans people will either have signs or know that they are trans before they are 18. I myself knew that something was off about me as early as 3rd grade, I saw a tomboy and told my parents I wanted to be a 'tomgirl'.
By the time puberty hits is when irreversible changes happen to the body. This is also when most trans people really get the "oh shit this ain't right" moment.
Imagine being trapped in a body that is doing its very best to rip your soul apart from you, then learning that there are medications that can stop it, but then learning that people who aren't even experiencing what you are have made the choice for you to not let you access them.
Now imagine that, for 5+ years.
It's torture.
Not 5+ years. Experience it beginning for 5+ years, then for the rest of your life because puberty has no undo button on many changes. I will never understand assholes who want to take away puberty blockers from kids who need them to have more time to decide on the life they want to live. That is no one's god damn business but their own, under 18 or not.
I wish we saw this kind of backlash against mutilating the genitals of infants.
I agree, but that's totally unrelated to the topic of trans rights. Whataboutism doesn't make the issue go away.
Right. I'm purely putting my own agenda out there.
I wish we saw this kind of backlash against mutilating the genitals of infants.
Like circumcision right? Cause you know, and you certainly wouldn't argue in bad faith about gender reassignment surgery happening to infants. Right?
I've written papers on why neo-natal circumcision is barbaric and should be illegal.
Great. I'd love to see the papers please :)
Is this supposed to be a counter argument? I also disagree with mutilating the genitals of infants.
No, I'm just saying I wish we saw this kind of backlash against mutilating the genitals of infants.
There's a much greater push for kids taking hormones versus protecting infants from having their genitalia mutiliated.
I would like to see more backlash against the former because I view it as a more important issue. That's all.
Okay, and?
I would like to see more backlash against workplace culture that glorifies overwork and burnout.
I would like to see more backlash against tipping culture.
I would like to see more backlash in wasteful government spending.
You're coming into a conversation about a specific topic and randomly derailing it to something with no relation because you think the topic at hand isn't important enough? Either stay on topic, or start a new conversation elsewhere.
I won't be responding to this again, it's already completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand. Cheers.
And it's fine if you want those things. Feel free to say what you want and I'll do the same.
It's clear though you're upset that I dared suggest a different cause is more important to me than what's important to you.
What do you think of the kids that undergo hormone treatment and come to regret it later?
not that big of an issue, conservatives like to play up the numbers WAAYYYY more than it actually is. Nobody is pressured into being trans, infact it's the opposite.
Normal cosmetic surgery has a regret rate of 30% while trans surgeries have a 5% regret rate.
Tell this to the people that regret transitioning, bigot.
Really? Nobody anywhere has ever been convinced that they're trans when they really aren't?
Most people who transition are happy with the choice, less so about people who question are you really trans?
You sure love semantics. Sounds very ben shapiro of you.
https://www.newsweek.com/what-data-shows-about-transgender-detransition-regret-1807448
Your newsweek article doesn't matter.
You keep trying to ignore the people who kill themselves over regretting their transition because they don't support your agenda.
Glad we could have this discussion.
It doesn't matter because most people are happy. I'm most certainly not ignoring them. It's an issue, I asked for data to back up your assertions. You could not provide it. I have no agenda.
Practically nonexistant, it is not possible for children under 16 to access HRT, if anything they are prescribed puberty blockers (so that you know.. they can avoid suffering from the changes in their body and not be permanently affected).
The general figure of regret for transgender affirming care is 1%, and 82.5% of these people do not detransition because they are no longer trans, but because of external factors. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33794108/
By age 17, 0.1% of trans children get HRT. Source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2828427
Now let's calculate some numbers: 1% of these 0.1% will regret it, that's 0.001%. And 17.5% of these might not be transgender, so that's 0.000175%
According to that second study, there's about 300000 trans children, so 0.000175% of that is 0.525 people.
So... less than 1 child in the whole United States would maybe regrets it because they're not trans. In other words, you can stop fear mongering.
https://old.reddit.com/r/detrans/
Lol, the complete delusion among you people really is a sight to behold.
They brought sources, you brought anecdotes from reddit. Remind us who's deluded again?
They posted a newsweek article and I shared what amounts to at least thousands of people who regret transitioning.
You're upset because regretting transitioning doesn't align with what you like. You literally want to ignore people who regret transitioning like the right wants to ignore trans people.
Congrats, you're a bigot.
This may be news to you, but people on Reddit lie. Constantly.
Lol. I feel bad for the people de-transitioning who have to deal with people like you constantly trying to belittle and deny their existence.
Ironic how quickly you resort to bigoted tactics as soon as they suit your goal.
TIL saying that people on Reddit lie constantly is bigoted.
Last I checked PubMed was a far better source than Newsweek or Reddit. (The comment isn't even edited so I'm assuming you just skipped the part with the sources)
You posted a link to a Reddit community which won't even load for me. I assume what you claim "amounts to at least thousands of people who regret transitioning" is the amount of people subscribed to that Reddit community. If I understood correctly that would indeed not amount to "at least thousands of people who regret transitioning". Instead it would show the number of Reddit accounts subscribed to the community. Some of which are likely individuals who regret having transitioned, many others are people interested in hearing about it and/or excited to make fun of what is posted and there could also be bots artificially inflate the number.
Posting a community name/link does not equate to a number of people in the group that the community is aimed at and it most certainly is not indicative of the people that actually exist in the group.
Yeah, just ignore everything you don't like.
The people who regret transitioning don't matter because you don't want them to matter.
Scrub them from existence the same way the right wants to scrub trans people from existence.
Ever gonna respond to your deliberate conflation of pubmed with Newsweek or are you just gonna keep ignoring this conversation because all trans people are to you is a prop in an internet argument? You're pathetic.
If I kept responding, then I'd never get to leave because you people will never leave.
Part of your modus operandi is brow-beating people into submission; just annoy, berate, and throw tantrums until you get what you want.
Gonna put you on ignore now. Goodbye.
I don't think you understood what I wrote.
I'm not ignoring the post of a link to a community, I'm telling you that I prefer scientific studies and think that what one study based on asking >27000 individuals and another paper based on many more studies is more relevant than you trying to express that something exists in a lazy unclear way. Statistically there are only very few people who regret their choice of transitioning. Those who did chose to do it themselves (or something very illegal happened in which case I banning it wouldn't change it).
I'm tempted to post a link to a trans community to show you irrelevant you would think it is. But I think those communities wouldn't appreciate it if you popped in and commented on their wholesome posts with your thoughts about transitioning based on your reddit anecdotes.
Just about any medical procedure will sometimes produce regrets in some portion of the population of people who undergo it, for instance vaccinations, amniocentesis, etc. It's not reasonable to suggest that because this is true that no one should have access to the treatments.
Right. Like getting fake breasts or cheek implants.
The difference between those and vaccinations is that they're superficial and aren't necessary to prolong our lives. They're optional, just like hormone treatment. They're also procedures we don't encourage or allow children to get on their own without a medical need, and rightfully so.
While some people will "regret" getting a kidney transplant, the alternative would've been death. I'm not going to argue whether or not they made the right choice, but the facts are there.
While some people will regret hormone treatment, the alternative is living with their normal healthy body like everyone else. They never "needed" the procedure in the first place.
What contact in your personal or professional life have you had with trans folk? Are you speaking with experience of appreciating their pain or are you just speaking based on what you've heard?
Why does any of that matter?
How can I explain color to a blind man? You're either attuned to the suffering around you or you're contributing to it. Apparently you can't see that. You must be blind.
Right. We're either with you or against you.
There is no in-between or outside.
Apparently blind and unaware of the deficit.
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