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What's wrong with teams? I use it everyday and it's fine.
The interface is terrible and nothing works like it should. Example. So I've got a shared folder which I set up in Teams and I mount it in OneDrive. I used OneDrive to populate it, ignoring the folder called "General" because what's the fucking point of that? You can't delete the "General" folder which seemed odd. So I've been happily sending out links to documents in my file structure, not realising that my colleagues had no idea there was even a folder structure there. The reason? Fucking Teams defaults to showing the empty "General" folder so people think there's nothing there. I can't move stuff into it because it would break the links. I can't create a shortcut because they don't work in teams - it just downloads a file when you click on it. So I've created a file in "general" with the title "click on the link next to the word General above to get to the files.txt". Very professional. And don't get me started on the miserable abomination that is Outlook.
And people have the absolute fucking gall to say that open source UI is bad.
Look, I truly mean this as softly as possible, because Teams does not in any way make this shit easy, but you are using it wrong.
Teams groups should have Sharepoint sites (on Azure) backing them, and are meant to be interacted with through the Office 365 online SharePoint "portal" thing if you need more than you can do through the Teams UI.
Why in the hell Microsoft has both OneDrive and SharePoint is one of the universe's stupidest and most confounding mysteries.
And in my experience, links to the documents through sharepoint do auto redirect/correct/stay working if you move the files around within the same sharepoint site, as long as the person opening the link still has rights to open stuff in the new location. If they didn't, I have a large project with a lot of interlinked documents that would have gotten absolutely fucked.
OneDrive also tends to do really fucky shit with that top level folder structure. Like trying to save things in the root of my onedrive that isn't synced instead of in the synced documents folder I always save to. Anyway, I stay away from using OneDrive as itself as much as possible and just use the automatic folder sync/redirect and interact with my local drive like OneDrive doesn't exist and my documents folder is magically synced across multiple machines by a capricious spirit. Don't even get me started on how it handles fucking one note stuff stored in onedrive when you browse through the web ui. Just fucking madness.
But if you're concerned, just make the only thing in the general folder a link to where shit really is. Probably the easiest solution.
The problem stems from Microsoft products not working with each other in the way you would expect. I don't mind SharePoint and OneDrive both existing - they have different use cases, but add in teams for accessing files as well, and it all gets very complicated, and things start not working like you think they should.
On a personal level, I find most Microsoft products a confusing mess these days. Outlook on browser is insanely awful. The ribbon thing in office is just random.
The one thing that hasn't terrible is VS Code. It does get a bit random in places, but mostly it's pretty intuitive and nice to use.
I feel like you're the only person making sense. I work for a big corp that has a competent IT department. We shifted over to teams from Skype after COVID like a lot of other companies. There were some growing pains especially with some of the older folks at work but honestly it's been a net benefit. I have my personal gripes but my company is over 20k people and our implementation of the system is honestly awesome for corporate work.
Everything now is linked through our SharePoint site and smaller org based teams groups within that. We each control our own little micro site within the greater whole and it's much easier to share things between groups vs sending directory links through email or Skype. It's much more secure as I can control the permissions of files I share when I make the link. Very helpful when communicating with outside vendors. Timed permissions are really nice too as I can share access to a file for a certain amount of time before they have to request more access. Auto save has saved my ass tons of times but that's more of a SharePoint thing. But it does cause Excel sheets to calculate slower which is a big bummer and a tradeoff.
Does teams fuck up sometimes, ya it does. Especially when sending pictures or videos but fuck I don't know how you would even run a huge org like ours without something that is this integrated. People that complain about teams on Lemmy have interacted with it very little or work on teams that are small and don't implement it right. Id rather use a different system if I was working in any other environment and I do when I work on personal projects or small volunteer teams. Mostly slack and discord.
Sure the better option is a home brew system internal to the company you work for but when our company is already using Azure and 365 the switch to teams has been a no brainer.
Thanks for an actual answer. I haven't noticed anything that bothers me, but others might.
You have exactly ten minutes to get the fuck out of this post
Everything. From UI to server. Including Forms and stream. They all suck hard.
Everytime I open teams, I am greeted with "You need to login again to continue" button, which doesn't even work.
That sounds like your workplaces network issue, not teams. The only time I have to relogin is after I leave the VPN'd wifi of the office building. But the button works
my org's Teams is accessible from outside the network, so I guess it's impossible
Most likely their Firefox support is horrible
Nope, that problem happens on Edge too.
Ew dude, gross
I'm so sorry for you, hope you get all the help you need.
Nothing about it is fine
Found the NSA plant 🕵🏼♂️
Slack is way, way, way better in almost every conceivable way.
First of every month we start new exel books. Simple set up, 1 page per day, 1 per book, 1 year per folder.
So lets say my first day if the month is the third. I come in, open edge, teams etc etc. thrn i have open the new exel files. So what do i do, do i search spot pick up jan. Nope that obly shows files from years ago. Do search for 2025? Nope that won't up the January spot pick 2025 file. I have yo click through the whole dam file system in teams. Why cant search work!
Good we don't use for anything else.
Navigate through the documents by going to the sharepoint site for the teams group. Much much easier, and better search functionality.
I have no earthly idea why Teams itself doesn't just send you there and insists on having its own shitty file browsing UI.
Chat and video calling is fine. Everything else is hot steaming garbage.
What else would you want to use something like teams for??
Group task planner, shared calendar, shitty wiki functionality, shitty file sharing with multi user real time collaboration and revision history... which works infinitely better if you go through the underlying sharepoint site for the group instead of the batshit Teams UI.
I've used it here and there but my job isn't dependent on it. I have no issues with it. 🤷
Are you the project's lead developer or something?
No, just wondering what all the negativity is about.
It's just the hive mind of people unable to think for themselves. It works perfectly fine for organising communication and files within projects, but it's MS so everyone must hate it such is the law of these people.
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
Yeah slack is better, but teams isn't exactly bad.
Tin cans with string is better
Your funeral...
Both are shit as they are corpo proprietary applications.