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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The communist and socialist countries aren't using any less oil either. We can't fix a problem if we are blaming random things.

I've come to accept that there isn't hope to stop the runaway train of unchecked capitalist greed, at least not without the hard lesson of collapse and rebuild, and that means there will be apologists like you screaming that the ship (Our habitable world) isn't sinking as you're waist deep in ocean(city destroying weather events, crop failures, heat deaths, fresh water crises, etc).

That used to bother me, but I've come to appreciate you as the comedy relief you are in this tragedy. So by all means, keep crowing about how competition between humans in matters of life and death are "healthy" and how the capital markets will save us from the capital markets that don't care about any future that is more than a fiscal quarter out, and will do anything they can get away with against the species for an extra nickel for shareholders.

I'm sure the benevolence of the sliver of the population that came to own almost everything through Extensive, merciless exploitation and ~~sociopathy~~ "rational self-interest" will swoop in to save you and your loved ones for your devotion.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nobody is willing to tolerate a drop in quality of life for the climate. Third worlders like the Chinese have finally gotten a taste for a little meat with supper and they aren't going to give it up so easily.

I don't even think this is inherently capitalist. It's a human issue. Obviously capitalism messes up incentives - so companies like ExxonMobil will deliberately lie about emissions or what have you and create PR campaigns to influence people into more carbon emissions.

So capitalism definitely makes it worse in that regard - but the ultimate cause of this is 8 trillion humans who want access to smartphones, cars, globalized consumer products, laptops, A/C, etc

The only real way to reduce carbon emissions to a point it won't inevitably fuck up the planet is not to have humans exist in a large scale industrial society. Go ahead and campaign on that as a politician. It ain't happening. We're burning this bitch to the ground.

For what it's worth, it'll take a couple of centuries before we really start to feel the effects in full. Sure, a few unusual heatwaves here and there seem serious but it's nothing like what's coming.