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Democracy can't tolerate a lot of things that are actively happening. Most of these things are legal, and frankly, with all of the suffering and murderous actions, concern trolling over the single time the shoe is on the other foot in class warfare is about as dumb as Trump supporters thinking that because Trump was indicted that they're coming for them next. I felt safer with the murderer abroad. Everyone without gobs of money or perfect health should have.
I find it a bit hypocritical to complain about murders while advocating murder. No problem on my part. It's not that I care. It's something that everyone has to debate with their own conscience.
I don't think it's hypocritical to want someone committing a 9/11 scale murder yearly while a legal system nods in approval to stop murdering, but from a low power perspective there's not much to be done about that. The system has been changed from a justice seeking system into a class warfare tool by the elite. Change would be better, but in this system, change comes from above. If the powers within the system are scared, some of them will flee to the moral position to spare themselves the risk. Power that's brokered through fear is still power, it's peak liberal to say fear must remain untapped. They would and literally do kill people like us every day, empathy is precious in late stage capitalism, I'll reserve mine for people who's suffering isn't karmic.
Actively killing someone =/= someone dying by an avoidable cause of death
The legal system isn't created by the rich. Sure they can afford lawyers and have a higher influence in politics. The country is still a democracy but the people have to vote in their best interest to get better healthcare. Systematic change is needed, so the root cause. You could say by killing this guy all you're doing is trying to treat a symptom of a broken system, even tho I would say his death doesn't even fully do that. Its just one more death. An avoidable and unnecessary death. I don't claim his corporate policies but murder like this has no place in a democracy with rule of law to change things. If a CEO started looking out for the best health of the customer it would be against the interest of the shareholder as it would make the company less profitable. A systematic change like unified public healthcare is needed. No private entities. No healthcare shouldn't be tied to work.
You can't claim moral superiority while promoting murder.
You're just drawing lines between social murder and murder, but I disagree that they're meaningfully different except of course that one is legal and one isn't. I don't promote murder, but I do find that if you are consistent that all forms of murder are wrong then this is no different than a sniper on the roof of a stadium taking shots all day long with a pile of ammo behind him getting counter-sniped. Will another sniper take his place? Obviously. That's why systemic change is the real goal here, but let's not pretend the sniper going down is some great loss or that we should feel guilty for praising an effective counter-sniper who has offered no evidence that he'd ever aim lower.
The man isn't the only one in the company and the system responsible. He steers the company at large, yes but every hand involved, be it the government, president, ceo to individual worker denying claims is technically at fault. I do not think we should celebrate murder. I do not celebrate Brian Thomson, neither do I celebrate Luigi Magione. I hope he gets his fair sentence.
Who is worse? Is a mass murderer deserving to have their life as they know it impacted negatively? Would you be satisfied by another case trying to hold a powerful person accountable so that they can be given a slap on the wrist? That's the alternative for Brian, except not even, because social murder is legal. You can't let a system deal with the outcomes if the system makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Change the system, but don't be surprised when people get creative about the ways to change it if they have no power to enact that change at all.