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I mean, I as an average person thought about this tactic, I'm sure some project 2025 people also though about it. I mean, denaturalization have to go through courts, destroying naturalization records could just be an executive order. I mean, they don't even need to destroy it, just order the records to be "relocated for security purposes" then "oopsie, they got caught on fire during transport". Once thats done, any of the citizens copies would get dismissed as fake and mass deportations could proceed...

I hope I'm just being a "doomer", and pray it doesn't happen.

Edit: I already have photos of my certificate of citizenship, but still... if they just start burning records, they can just dismiss my copy as fake. 😖

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[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 0 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah... Not really.

Let's think this through. If the president has immunity, then any order he gives falls under the same immunity.

If I tell you to steal, and anything I say is legal, you stealing would fall under that umbrella. What I tell you to do can't be legal if you doing it is illegal.

[–] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 4 points 10 hours ago

I’m pretty sure “acting lawfully” and “having immunity from prosecution for illegal actions” are two different things. Just because the president cannot be prosecuted does not change the fundamental nature of the deed, only the consequences thereof.

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

Yeah this is wrong at least when it comes to the military UCMJ allows you to disregard an unlawful order. Nuremberg confirmed that i was just following orders doesn't fly at least in the military. Immunity doesn't make it legal it just makes the person uncountable and shows how broken the system is.