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[–] deadcream@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Isn't AI a capitalist bubble profiting from stealing other people's work? Why would a communist country engage in that?

[–] dRLY@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What we are constantly bombarded with in the capitalist hype train bubble is fucked. Just watching so many corps tripping over themselves to force shit into things that really and truly don't need (or in shit like health insurance to auto-deny life saving care) is maddening. It is being used without concern over if it is even more than alpha stage. Just like how we see stuff like the games industry just launching games broken as hell as if they are completed and for full price. The stealing of work is very much in-line with capitalism, just as it always has been with regards to physical resources.

But it can have benefits beyond the above stated bubble cashing in and out. It could be very useful in socialist/communist nations. That is because under those systems, the ownership would be collective and benefits shared right back to everyone. But should be carefully applied and not for profits over lives. So really such advancements would make more sense in socialist/communist settings.

Also places like China actually do apply the death penalty to greedy leaders of companies. Which helps compared to the US and other capitalist nations that place those same greedy leaders on pedestals beyond true punishments.

[–] falkerie71@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

death penalty to greedy leaders of companies

~~With the notable exception of people in power.~~ (Edit: They do get executed) Corruption is real bad there, there are plenty examples of people in gov positions being filthy rich and have kids who show off their erroneous spending on Douyin.

[–] vritrahan@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Government officials have also been executed for corruption, especially since Xi Jinping became general secretary.

[–] falkerie71@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

I stand corrected.

[–] falkerie71@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why not? It doesn't really matter who steals from who in the AI race, it's about who gets to the top first to dominate the market. So of course China would want that, as do every AI company around the world.

FYI, China although communist in name, actually functions mostly on capitalist economy, but party authority always comes first.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

FYI, China although communist in name, actually functions mostly on capitalist economy, but party authority always comes first.

In a capitalist economy the market comes first, the market dominates politics. In China it is the exact opposite, and that's why China can build entire cities in the time it takes a capitalist country to build a single bridge or highway. They don't wait for private investors to provide funding or wait for private contractors to bid for the project. They just decide they're building a city and then they do it.

In other words, politics are in command.

[–] falkerie71@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

From my understanding, they do have contractors bid for projects. Though, fair and transparent or not is another issue.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago

Pretty much all the core economy is state owned, and the role of private sector continues to diminish https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/2024/chinas-private-sector-has-lost-ground-state-sector-has-gained-share-among

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Capitalism is a useless word. Markets and property ownership (communal property is property) exist naturally. Oligarchism and Corporatism (supremacy of those classes) are narrowly defined words. US philosophy is industrial policy to maximize oligarchist/corportist supremacy and profits. Chinese industrial policy maximizes abundance, and overall policy restricts oligarchist excess. It directs massive job creating investment, but doesn't interfere with market wages, as labour supremacist opposition parties in the west advocate for.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

What no theory does to a mf.