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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

With the success of drones in Ukraine, I wonder if the future's just going to be midget drone-mothership subs.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I’m in for outrageous Ace Combat style drone carriers with their own point defense.

https://acecombat.fandom.com/wiki/Arsenal_Bird

And conventional warhead ballistic missile subs with drone launchers:

https://acecombat.fandom.com/wiki/Hrimfaxi

It’s “last second” MIRV too, so more politically correct.

The Japanese had things figured out in 2004, lol.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

midget drone-mothership subs.

So is it a the mothership that's a drone, or the midget subs? The latter would make more sense.

[–] fist_of_fartitude@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It would be a regular sized sub that's a drone mothership, crewed entirely by midgets

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Drones must be terrifying for midgets.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Maybe, but they are our last defense against nano bots.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Smart, you can fit an entire extra story inside that way. And they're less likely to mutiny if HAL decides when they surface.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

The subs contain lots of drones, but the subs are unmanned, making them drones, and they're launched by a bigger mothership sub that's also a drone. All manned by midgets pretending to be AI, of course.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Carrier Has Arrived

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Military planning like that is exceedingly difficult and we're almost always wrong. Like fixed fortifications, in history there's at least 6 major moves away from fixed fortifications because they became "obsolete". A few years later some new design or invention comes about and suddenly fixed fortifications are en vogue again.

In this case I think the definition of a battleship will just change like it did for dread/pre-dread ships. Eventually I think it will be twin high velocity low throw weight railguns in a all or nothing armored extremely low freeboard stealth hull.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Battleships being at the center of naval plans obviously changed. But, I think you're right that something battleshippy will probably still exist.

I mean, look how long it took for the spear to go away. With bayonets you could argue that they've never gone away. But, they're now a secondary thing, rather than the primary thing armies are designed around.

I could imagine a future where a sea-tank exists, something that can take a hit and attack with direct-fire weapons. Having said that, the war in Ukraine is showing that a multi-million dollar tank can be taken out with a few hundred dollars in drone gear. Battleships are/were closer to $1 billion, and they were already mostly obsolete when they were in danger from multi-million dollar planes, dropping thousand dollar bombs, piloted by pilots who had been trained at the cost of millions of dollars.

[–] Trollception@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Get out of here with your down to earth and sensible thinking. This is Lemmy!